[Rhodes22-list] Fw: BBQ was] Anchors

Slim salm at mn.rr.com
Thu Jun 23 01:41:11 EDT 2005


Peter,

Your emails come from two addresses:  Peter Thorn and the Rhodes list.  I've
never been able to reply to your posts.  I have to copy the thread and
subject to a new post to the Rhodes list and then send.  I don't know why
either.

Slim

On 6/22/05 8:55 PM, "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> I don't know why, but my replys to Rhodes 22 list-serve e-mails lately have
> been going to the sender, not the list.  Very strange.
> 
> PT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Thorn
> To: Bill Effros 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:28 PM
> Subject: BBQ was] Anchors
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> If it's been a few years, could that be Hurricane Floyd?  As far as I recall,
> that's been the only inland flooding that could have effected Wilburs on Hwy
> 70.  Last year our small boat Tanzer fleet and the Raleigh/Durham area
> Carolina Sailing Club attended the last Oriental Sailing Social (around the
> marks buoy racing).  On the way home we ate at Wilburs and it was as good as
> ever.  Behind the restaurant they burn Hickory wood and slow cook the pigs
> over the coals.  Eastern NC is now one of the top pork producing areas, so I
> guess getting good fresh pigs is no problem.  The sauce is vinegar based,
> spicy and tangy.  The hush puppies are always hot and fresh and they make
> their own cole slaw too.   Uhmmm, good!   I think it would be worth your while
> to try them again if you're traveling through on I-95.  It's far better than
> any BBQ restaurant around here.
> 
> PT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Effros
> To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
> 
> 
> Peter,
> 
> I've been disappointed at Wilbers the last 2 times I've been there.  They had
> a flood or something, and their kitchen fell apart.  Is it better again?
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> Peter Thorn wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook.  After reading your posts,
> we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long
> Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake.  Quick, easy, and it holds the same
> in any direction (no resets for windshifts).  In ten knots of breeze with a
> Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine.  Not sure I could trust it
> overnight a breeze though.
> 
> I like you minimalist thinking.  Use the right anchor for the job -- very
> elegant.
> 
> PT
> 
> PS -  What's happened to Wilbers?  I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the
> pit cooked barbeque is delicious.  We usually stop there every trip to
> Oriental, maybe once or twice a year.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Nobody is the expert.  These are things we each try, and report back to
> each other what works.  Your experience with the Fortress validates my
> experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input.
> 
> This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger
> multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would
> not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled.
> 
> Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he
> used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk
> jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good
> moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and
> picked up his line.  What did he have to lose?  2 empty milk jugs?
> 
> That seemed a much better solution to me!  It worked.  People don't
> steal milk jugs full of sand.  If you use this idea only to reserve a
> good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea.
> 
> And so it goes.
> 
> People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what
> they are talking about.  My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb.
> mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor.  2:1 scope at
> a maximum.  32 foot maximum length.  As noted in the hurricane
> discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each
> other, even during hurricanes.
> 
> Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the
> tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide.  He could barely get the eye of
> the mooring line around his cleat.  His scope was 1:1.  After lunch he
> couldn't remove the line from his cleat.  It was pulling his bow into
> the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds.  He could have cut it,
> but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching.  He waited for low tide,
> and maybe he learned something.  (Probably not.)
> 
> A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time.  A
> vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get
> fancy.  A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of
> sand, provided you know how to set it properly.  The same is true of
> shaped mushroom anchors.
> 
> Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting.
> 
> Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you
> are asleep.
> 
> This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you
> really need.  I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was
> Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision.  He
> was the guy who actually anchored all the time.  Everyone else was
> reading magazines all winter.  It should come as no surprise that he was
> right.  Try it.
> 
> When you are just  playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw
> anything into the water and see what works.  If you drift, there is no
> harm done, and you take care of it.  But if you don't drift, and you
> greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely
> to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> William E. Wickman wrote:
> 
>   Bill E.,
> Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list.  I've
>     got
> two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on
>     my
> last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its
> performance).  I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so
> please let us know what works well with the Rhodes.  Also, have you ever
> used a mushroom type anchor with any success?  I have heard that they
>     don't
> have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a
>     lunch
> hook in calm waters with little current?  What weight would you
>     recommend?
> Bill W.
> 
> 
> 
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> Slim,
> 
> Rummy doesn't know me.
> 
> Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in
> the Laz.)
> 
> I can get to the ones under the seat fastest.
> 
> I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port
> seat.  The line has a snap shackle on the end.  There is no chain on
> this line.  On top of the line are 3 anchors:  a Fortress, in parts,
> inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of
> different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm
> experimenting this summer.
> 
> I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute.
> The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy.  I can teach crew
> to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot.
> 
> The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot
> escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward.  It never
> escapes when heeling.  The anchors cannot jump over the lip the
> Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time.  There are no
> exposed anchor tines.
> 
> I use these anchors most because they are most accessible.  I anchor
>> from the stern most of the time because I am lazy.
>   Bill Effros
> 
> 
> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Slimmy,
> I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that
>       sucker
>               ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the
> lee seat.
>       I
>         keep
> 
> 
>     a  small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few
>       other
>               miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette.
> I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes
> 
> 
>       out
> 
> 
>     by accident.
> I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the
>       knots
>         in
> 
> 
>     the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise.
> You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the
> 
> 
>       heat
> 
> 
>     pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two
> 
> 
>       days
> 
> 
>     before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's
> repaired.  92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to
> 
> 
>       tough it out
> 
> 
>     and  drink more cooling liquids.
> 
> Rummy
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