[Rhodes22-list] sorry the first draft went out after I did plus thespellcheck also is out but here is completed survey

[Robert Dilk]

   Excellent comments Stan.

   I would like to add that I broke my Jib stay (25 years old and
   corroded) during a race in 20+ knots of wind and the mast stayed up. I
   had to get towed in because my OB could not make headway against the
   wind.

   That's when General Boats became my favorite boat company.


   Bob

   S/V Knot Necessary
   >From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
   >Reply-To: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>,The Rhodes 22 mail list
   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry the first draft went out after I did
   plus thespellcheck also is out but here is completed survey
   >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:22:18 -0400
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   >>>>>  > Joshua Colvin
   >>>>>Managing Editor
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   >One of the owners asked me to answer for him, so - for comic
   >relief::
   >
   >ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BOAT:
   >Your name:  Rhodes 22
   >Your boat's name:  The Placebo Effect
   >Boat make and length:  General Boats Rhodes 22
   >Year of manufacture:  I am a lady and don't give out that
   >information
   >Please tell us a little about the extent of your sailing experience.
   >Small boat sailing since 1938  Learned on a homemade 11' something
   >or
   >other - then a wood Lightning until the wood mast broke then moved
   >on to
   >a wooden abondoned Snipe which I took on a two week cruise up the
   >Hudson to see if my significant future other really liked sailing or
   >was just
   >faking the screaming.   Never took any lessons and it shows but did
   >win
   >my first race and immediately retired from racing to keep my perfect
   >record in tact.  Hung up the pants used since learned by that seat.
   >.
   >Imported Corsairs and Ponants and other French plywod boats to test
   >the
   >US Sailboat market.  Finally came out with the Picnic 17 which was a
   >combination sailboat and a skiing boat that didn't do too well so
   >gave
   >the idea to Roger.   Although I currently build Rhodes 22s I don't
   >own
   >one because I charge too much.
   >>>>>
   >PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS:
   >Please give us your general impressions on the following subjects:
   >Ease of trailering:   No problems. Except when I looked out the
   >widow and
   >saw the boat passing me.  Have towed the equivalent of a dozen or so
   >times around the world without much excitement.  After awhile you
   >don't
   >know you are towing it until you notice in the mirror that you are
   >being
   >followed by a boat.
   >Ease of launching and retrieving:  So easy that if you get
   >challanged to race, make sure the race starts and ends with all
   >entries on their trailers. The boat self launches by applying the
   >car brakes - be prepared to swim. For show offs like me, sailing
   >onto the trailer gets lots of applause but the lowered centerboard
   >deserves the
   >credit. Ease of rigging:  The instructions say that one man can
   >raise the mast - we just have not found him yet.   But at 79 I can
   >do it single handed - if I use the cross over mast hoist system.
   >Lowering is no problem - I just pull all the pins and run like hell.
   >.
   >How the boat performs in light airs:  Light airs are its big number.
   >  I am accused of having an inboard.
   >How fast the boat is:  Can manage 65 on the trailer.  8 surfing and
   >5 to 6 when the weather and I are at our best.  Have passed all
   >sorts of racing craft going the other way.
   >How well it points:  not as good as my dog - but it is not a dog
   >when considering it is a combination keel centerboarder.
   >Initial stability:  Wonderful for a lightweight like me standing out
   >on the hiking seat gunnels. But then very tender and then suddenly
   >very stiff. Trully tried but never been able to turn one over under
   >sail. Something about the flared hull..
   >SEAWORTHINESS:
   >How does your boat perform in heavy weather?  Heavy airs are its big
   >number. How can you say that about light and heavey airs?  Easy:
   >Lower the pop top, lower the boom (which lowers the center of sail
   >effort), shorten the IMF and fly a hankerchief that can be made out
   >of the reefed 175 genoa, put the cockpit cushions away to expose the
   >seats' heel grooves and get the crew up on the flared gunnels and
   >you have a different animal that is good for up to 29 knot winds..
   >Is the boat forgiving?  More so than my wife (but not as tender)
   >Does it inspire confidence?  The Rhodes uncovered four niches:  The
   >45 foot owner wo wants to get back to the fun of small boat handling
   >but does not want to give up the amenities they have grown
   >accustomed to on the big guy. The beginner who likes the foam
   >floatation and hard to turn over trait and throtability of
   >the sail area to match their learning curve. The realistic sailer
   >who does not want to go bigger than 22 but wants the most 22 out
   >there.  And the sailor who wants a boat so easy to sail, he or she
   >can stay home.  This latter group will really love next season's
   >model because it tells you if you had a good time or not when it
   >gets back.
   >Is it dry-riding? With the flared hull there is no contest.  Not a
   >fair question.
   >Does it exhibit a weather helm?  You left no box for neutral.
   >Tweaking can get you either side of neutral.
   >Is cockpit drainage adequate in your opinion?  The three self
   >bailing drains work fine except in golf ball size hail storms.
   >ACCOMMODATIONS:
   >How many can comfortably daysail, overnight , or cruise for extended
   >periods on your boat?   Would you believe 9?  4 in the cabin three
   >in the cockpit and two in the lazaret. OK, would you believe 7?   6?
   >  4?  I beleive 2, if you use the double 6-6" dinette table with the
   >pop top up.  (I am clostrophobic).  But if my wife is mad at me she
   >sleeps in the coffin like "V" berth.  She invited me to join her
   >there one night and I have to report that there is sex after death.
   >Are sleeping accommodations  comfortable?   Depends on who you are
   >sleeping with.
   >Is the head practical and convenient to use:  As the literature on
   >the swell head of the Rhodes points out, half of us can stand up
   >when we go, although it is the most comfortable seat in the boat - I
   >also like the magazzine rack.
   >Cooking facilities?  You will have to ask the buyer who had us
   >install a stainless steel oven with two burners on top.  We also
   >installed a real frig wtih a 5,000 foot extension cord. Light meals
   >can be had since the dinete table can also be moved to the cockpit
   >during daylight hours.
   >Storage? To quote Bob Quinn who liked his Rodes so much he went out
   >and bought a different boat, "For this size boat, can't be beat.
   >The under counter space is great and the rear lazarrette will hold
   >two people - if you hapen to be serving humans instead of beef for
   >lunch....
   >QUALITY:
   >What do you think of the boats construction?  A Rhodes is like wine.
   >  It depends on the year. (explanation on request)
   >How about the stock rigging?  Better than asprin.  With 9 stays,
   >breaking the jib stay does not result in the mast falling on the
   >crews' heads.  .
   >Does the boat seem durable? Yes.  We are curently deciding whether
   >to build them to self-destruct in 20 years or just go out of
   >business..
   >Any noticeable oil-canning, flexing, peeling or delamination?  see
   >answer "depends on year"
   >Any obvious shortcomings or corner-cutting in the design?  The
   >shortcoming is its length - while it is 26' inside it is only 22' on
   >the outside.  An obvious Phil Rhodes cost cutting design.
   >COMPROMISES:
   >What stands out in your mind as a compromise an owner of this boat
   >is
   >likely to have to make?    Name.  Most of the good names have been
   >used up. .
   >MODIFICATIONS:
   >List any significant modifications you've made to your boat, how
   >difficult they were to execute, and how successful you consider
   >them, particularly in light of time and money spent.  I refuse to
   >answer this on the grounds that it may incriminate the entire
   >company (in light of testimony from earlier models like Bob Quinn
   >who did not have the features of the newer boats.).
   >VALUE:  We love this cocnept of value since the price of the boat is
   >too high for buyers and too low for our accountant.  But its value
   >is perfect. We are upset with the prospect who said he bought
   >another boat because his friend said no one knows the Rhodes and so
   >it has no resale value and here we were hoping he would buy one so
   >we could buy it back from him..
   >Compared with other small sailboats (25' or less), how do you rate
   >this
   >boat's value?  We use the NADA book
   >OTHER:
   >Please feel free to share any other general or specific comments
   >about
   >this boat.    It is not the boat.  It is the owners that are going
   >to give you a problem with the truth since they know that if they
   >say anything negative we will take their boats away from them.
   >Any other questions?
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