[Rhodes22-list] 90% jib

Robert Dilk robertdilk at hotmail.com
Fri Mar 18 20:39:42 EST 2005


   Roger,

   As always, a good explaination.

   Sounds like good insurance to me.


   Bob

   S/V Knot Necessary
   >From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
   >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 90% jib
   >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:16:50 -0500
   >
   >Peter, Bob,
   >
   >Use this link to take a look at an annotated detail photo of the bow
   of
   >Dynamic Equilibrium:
   >
   >http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/Roller_Furling.jpg
   >
   >Note the HD padeye about 12 inches behind the roller furler, the one
   which
   >has the outboard end of the whisker pole snapped onto it.   Besides
   whisker
   >pole storage, that HD padeye serves as the tack attachment point for
   my
   >cruising spinnaker &/or storm jib.
   >
   >However, even though the foredeck is plywood cored, it was not
   designed to
   >be loaded in the manner in which high luff tension on a headsail will
   load
   >it.  The foredeck was designed to withstand loads directed downward
   from
   >above from things like people standing on the foredeck &/or the hull
   flexing
   >upward due to backstay tension.  These designed-for types of loads
   will
   >place the nonskid skin of the foredeck into compression.  The
   foredeck was
   >not designed to withstand an upward angled tension (pulling apart)
   load from
   >the luff of a headsail.  This type of load on the HD padeye will put
   the
   >nonskid skin of the foredeck into tension.   One would expect to see
   >hairline cracks forming in the nonskid foredeck around the padeye
   running in
   >directions perpendicular to this tension load as the foredeck starts
   to fail
   >from this sort of loading.  The failure will be a cumulative damage
   type of
   >phenomena - i.e. Every time the HD padeye is loaded beyond a certain
   >critical threshold, even for a split second, the hairline cracks in
   the
   >foredeck will grow and the critical load threshold will decrease for
   the
   >next load cycle.  At the very least, these cracks will allow water
   intrusion
   >into the plywood core and one can envision much worse scenarios!
   >
   >To prevent this failure, I installed a tension load transfer system
   down
   >below in the V-berth area.  I purchased identical padeyes to the HD
   unit on
   >the foredeck and the OEM bow towing eye.  Using longer stainless
   steel thru
   >bolts and nuts, I installed these padeyes on the inside of the cabin
   as
   >"backing plates" for the HD padeye and OEM bow towing eye.  Then,
   using a
   >combination of off-the-shelf stainless steel shackles and turn
   buckles, I
   >connected these two padeyes to form a mechanical tension link.  The
   geometry
   >of my installation causes the turnbuckle to end up at about a 45 deg
   angle
   >relative to the roof of the inner cabin liner.  Now, when headsail
   luff
   >tension loads the HD padeye on my foredeck, the load is transfered
   thru the
   >tension load transfer link to the bow towing padeye and the very
   rigid
   >structure of the hull right at the bow.
   >
   >Unfortunately, I don't have a picture of this installation down
   inside the
   >cabin in the V-berth area.  Dynamic Equilibrium is still in winter
   storage
   >at the Midland County Fairgrounds, so I don't have easy access to it.
   >Hopefully, my word description of the installation will be sufficient
   to
   >explain what I did and why.  I installed this tension load transfer
   system
   >back in 1989, have used it very severely over all these years, and
   have zero
   >leaks or any visible hairline cracks around the HD padeye to this
   day.
   >
   >The devil is in the details gentlemen.  Good luck!
   >
   >Roger Pihlaja
   >S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
   >
   >
   >----- Original Message -----
   >From: "Robert Dilk" <robertdilk at hotmail.com>
   >To: <pthorn at nc.rr.com>; <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:04 AM
   >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] 90% jib
   >
   >
   > >
   > >    I have a cleak 4" behind the furler. A rope loop through the
   eye on
   > >    the end of the wire luff attaches to the cleat. My halyard has
   a
   > >    pulley that attaches to the head and gives a 2 to 1 purchase. I
   'sweat
   > >    the line' against a cleat on the mast. Works for me.
   > >
   > >
   > >    Bob
   > >
   > >    S/V Knot Necessary
   > >    >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
   > >    >Reply-To: Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com>,The Rhodes 22 mail
   list
   > >    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   > >    >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   > >    >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 90% jib
   > >    >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:18:57 -0500
   > >    >
   > >    >Bob,
   > >    >
   > >    >Very interesting.  Do you tack your 90 jib to a padeye about
   4"
   > >    behind the
   > >    >furler?  If so, how well does that work?  Raven has a padeye
   there
   > >    for the
   > >    >UPS that looks like it is strong enough to lift the boat
   with.  Do
   > >    you have
   > >    >any problems getting the wire luff tension tight enough?  How
   do you
   > >    tension
   > >    >the halyard?
   > >    >
   > >    >Thanks.
   > >    >
   > >    >PT
   > >    >
   > >    >----- Original Message -----
   > >    >From: "Robert Dilk" <robertdilk at hotmail.com>
   > >    >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   > >    >Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:41 AM
   > >    >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa size
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    I have a 1976 Rhodes 22 with 175 and standard main with
   1 reef
   > >    point.
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    I also have a 90% jib on a wire luff that flies behind
   the
   > >    furled GBI
   > >    > >    head sail furler.
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    As you may have noticed, sail selection is extremely
   personal.
   > >    My
   > >    > >    conditions are typical 10 kts or less OR 20+ and
   gusty.Under 10
   > >    kts
   > >    > >    the 175 is great. As the white caps begin to show I put
   a Reef
   > >    in the
   > >    > >    main, next I would Reef the 175 to about 140. More wind
   and I
   > >    Furl the
   > >    > >    genoa and fly the 90. the added benefit is the 90 sheets
   inside
   > >    the
   > >    > >    shrouds.
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    This is all single handed. More crew usually means I fly
   more
   > >    sail (
   > >    > >    more work, more FUN)
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    My 2 cents.
   > >    > >
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    Bob
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    S/V Knot Necessary
   > >    > >
   > >    > >    Morristown, TN
   > >    > >    >From: "George Carpenter" <geocarp3 at mchsi.com>
   > >    > >    >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   > >    > >    >To: "Rhodes 22 list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
   > >    > >    >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa size
   > >    > >    >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:38:41 -0600
   > >    > >    >
   > >    > >    >Following a tour of the Chicago Sailboat Show I decided
   to
   > >    move "up"
   > >    > >    from my 2001 Precision 23 to a recycled 1991 Rhodes 22,
   which
   > >    Stan is
   > >    > >    in the process of putting the finishing touched on as we
   speak.
   > >    Since
   > >    > >    I sail on a reasonably large (for the area) lake in Iowa
   where
   > >    the
   > >    > >    winds are most often moving between 10-20 it seems a
   175% genoa
   > >    is
   > >    > >    overkill. I used to truly enjoy racing, but have no
   interest in
   > >    > >    getting back into that, and I normally sail alone and
   speed is
   > >    not a
   > >    > >    factor. I'm thinking a 150 should be fine, but would bow
   to
   > >    your
   > >    > >    experience(s).
   > >    > >    >
   > >    > >    >     George Carpenter
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