[Rhodes22-list] what is list etiquette? Ignore That!

[Steve]

Yes they DID get the story wrong, Cheryl.  They asks
one (1) person who did not know & therefore Newsweek
ran an incorrect story.  That like asking a liberal if
Gore got elected; the liberal to this day still think
he did but the facts remaims that Bush won the White
House fare & legal.
Steve

  

--- Cheryl O'Grady <cheryl.ogrady at mail.com> wrote:

> 1) agree with much of the article; it was an excuse,
> not a reason, for rioting; Islamic fundamentalism is
> pretty brutal
> 2)reporters apparently did not get the story wrong,
> as the Red Cross apparently has reported just such
> incidents to the US military.  Newsweek just did not
> have enough sources, did not dig deeper, as they
> should have done, to verify the initial source.
> 3)fundamentalism is fundamentalism, whether it be
> Islamic, Jewish, or Christian.  they preach mostly
> bigotry and hate, and I sure don't see much
> Christian in the behavior of so-called "Christian"
> fundamentalists.  I don't think Jesus would have,
> either.  He was a pretty inclusive dude.
> 
> cheryl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] what is list etiquette?
> Ignore That!
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> > 
> > Ric,
> > 
> > I was responding to your post when my daughter put
> her
> > elbow on the keyboard (I'm home all week playing
> Mr.
> > Mom.)  Ignore that first post.  At least she
> didn't
> > call 911 like she did when she was 1 1/2.  Those
> cops
> > still think I'm lying.
> > 
> > Anyway, I've been too busy to make any pithy
> political
> > comments but not to busy to read.  Here's an
> article
> > from today's Chicago Tribune.  Not only is it
> funny in
> > its own way but dead on the money correct.  This
> is
> > neither left nor right folks, just a fastball
> straight
> > down the middle.
> > 
> > Brad
> > "CoraShen"
> > 
> > 
> > Seeking sanity in the asylum
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > By Kathleen Parker
> > 
> > May 18, 2005
> > 
> > Reaction to an inaccurate Newsweek report that led
> > recently to rioting and death in Afghanistan
> suggests
> > that hysteria is, indeed, contagious.
> > 
> > To briefly recap, Newsweek reported in a small
> blurb
> > May 9 that American interrogators at Guantanamo
> Bay
> > had flushed a Koran down a toilet in attempts to
> get
> > Muslim terror suspects to talk. Once the Newsweek
> > story was broadcast abroad, the usually reticent
> > hate-America crowd erupted in mass pique. Havoc
> > ensued. At least 15 Afghans died and many more
> were
> > injured.
> > 
> > All because of a story that may not have been
> true.
> > The "knowledgeable U.S. government source" who
> told
> > Newsweek's Michael Isikoff and John Barry about
> the
> > flushing apparently wasn't so knowledgeable. At
> the
> > risk of seeming insensitive, may I suggest that
> c'est
> > la guerre and urge everyone to follow Dr. Lamaze's
> > always-useful advice: Breathe deeply and focus.
> > 
> > What we need here is a little perspective.
> > 
> > First, we all can agree that flushing a Koran down
> a
> > toilet, if physically possible, would be both
> > insensitive and rude, though Westerners generally
> have
> > a higher tolerance threshold for such offenses.
> Put it
> > this way: You could flush a Bible down the toilet
> in
> > front of Goober in Kabul, and it's unlikely that
> > Mayberry suddenly would be awash in blood.
> > 
> > Without disrespecting true believers of Islam, one
> > also could debate the relative miseries of seeing
> our
> > favorite scripture disappear into the plumbing
> versus,
> > say, watching airplanes fly into buildings,
> killing
> > thousands of innocents. Remember, these are
> terrorist
> > suspects captured after 9/11, not kidnapped
> members of
> > an Afghan boys choir.
> > 
> > The apparent Newsweek mistake was regrettable, but
> we
> > should beware of allowing ourselves to mirror the
> > emotional reactions of people who were by no
> measure
> > justified in their response--even if the story had
> > been proven true.
> > 
> > The same people foaming over a reported act of
> > blasphemy didn't flinch while executing women for
> > stepping outside sans burqa. I'm afraid my moral
> > outrage in favor of the morally outrageous is
> tapped
> > out.
> > 
> > While the world was reacting in righteous
> indignation
> > to the Newsweek report, another story was
> circulating
> > about Turkish women in Germany being executed by
> > family members in "honor killings" sanctioned by
> > certain interpretations of the Koran. Their
> offense?
> > Acting like Western women. Or, in the pithy words
> of a
> > 14-year-old Turkish boy who was justifying an
> > execution: "The whore lived like a German."
> > 
> > Before the good Muslim world objects, let me
> assert
> > what shouldn't need saying: Islam isn't the
> problem
> > here. The problem is ignorance and the right-wing
> > Islamist faction that will use the Koran for its
> > purposes, whether to incite a riot or murder a
> woman
> > who refuses to wear her headscarf. The enemy is
> > extremism.
> > 
> > I have no interest either in defending Newsweek or
> in
> > justifying interrogators' methods, but let's be
> blunt:
> > Those rampaging in Afghanistan didn't need a
> reason to
> > riot; they needed an excuse. That the media
> provided
> > one is regrettable, but that regret needs to be
> > tempered by perspective and objectivity.
> > 
> > Instead, much of the anger the past several days
> has
> > been directed not at the Islamist extremists who
> went
> > berserk, but at the reporters who apparently got
> the
> > story wrong. What if they'd been right? Should
> > Newsweek not have reported it? Would the riots
> have
> > been justified if someone had flushed a Koran?
> > 
> > We might debate those questions, but meanwhile we
> > should resist the urge to overreact as some have
> in
> > suggesting that the press should be restricted or
> > stifled. Although imperfect, a free press is one
> of
> > our nation's highest expressions of freedom and
> the
> > thing that separates us from the same right-wing,
> > authoritarian, extremist forces that we condemn.
> Yet,
> > an alarming number of Americans, their faith in
> > journalists damaged by recent scandals, have lost
> > sight of the meaning and importance of a free
> press.
> > 
> > A recent University of Connecticut survey found,
> for
> > example, that only 14 percent of respondents knew
> that
> > freedom of the press was part of the 1st
> Amendment.
> > Only 55 percent of those surveyed strongly agreed
> that
> > newspapers should be allowed "to publish freely
> > without government approval of a story." Now
> there's a
> > finding to warm the cockles of a Taliban heart.
> > 
> > Once we start asking the government for permission
> to
> > publish, we become partners in propaganda and
> cohorts
> > of authoritarianism. Far better to risk
> mistakes--and
> > even riots from the lunatic fringe--than to
> forfeit
> > the right to question authority.
> > 
> > Mistakes will be made, but freedom means living to
> > say, "I'm sorry."
> > 
> > Kathleen Parker is a syndicated columnist for the
> > Orlando Sentinel, a Tribune newspaper. ----------
> > 
> > E-mail: kparker at kparker.com
> > Copyright © 2005, Chicago Tribune
> > 
> > 
> > --- brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > > > Cheryl,
> > > > > Somehow, I don't think that "political
> screed" was
> > > > all there was to that message, was it? Wasn't
> it
> > > > just one of Ed's little signature addendums? I
> > > think
> > > > I'd do my best to get over it if you want to
> hang
> > > > out on the Rhodes list, because, we talk about
> > > most
> > > > anything here, sometimes even politics. Maybe
> it
> > > > would be good if you went to > >
> www.rhodes22.org/list
> > > > > and read the charter. Then you can decide
> what is
> > > > appropriate .... or not and and decide whether
> you
> > > > want to stay .... or not.
> > > > > Rik
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cheryl O'Grady <cheryl.ogrady at mail.com>
> > > > Sent: May 18, 2005 8:49 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is list
> etiquette?
> > > > > I don't think it is kosher for someone to
> use my
> > > > email address from the list to send political
> > > > screed.
> > > > > > > > "All that is necessary for the triumph
> of evil is
> > > > that good men do nothing."  Edmund Burke,
> Irish
> > > > philosopher
> > > > >
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