[Rhodes22-list] Blame the

[Ben Schultz]

I don't know about the validity of the security screener claim, but just 
the fact that it is believable -- and you have to admit that it is 
totally believable -- tells you a lot about the sorry state of our 
government.



michael meltzer wrote:

>can not explain, but got two "tibits" that caught me
>eye last night. At least covered a couple of question
>at the time.
>
>The Goverers office would not FEMA go in or the red
>cross, or give FEMA control,(got to love states
>rights), apratinly FEMA has to "ask permission" the
>way the it is up.  the state logic was they did not
>want to make the area a "magnetic" for people to come
>to but wanted to force/get the people out. 20/20 hind
>sight tells that bad call because it took days to
>orginize the transport and placement, they seems to
>"be in over thier heads" and people were not taken
>care of in the mean time.  Truff war custerfuck? and
>kind of a mean way of play it? or did some not relize
>the cause and effect of thier desions? worst part it
>might be true, kind of matchs the timelines.
>
>The other one, Get his, homeland securty was not
>letting airplains to be used until the "screeners"
>were in place and they had full securty at the
>airports, make sure no one is a trorist!!!!!, fighting
>the last war? small minds thinking? CYA? stuipness
>from low level officials not willing to take a risk or
>think out of the box, truff war clustfuck again?
>
>
>I am staring to think, they should take the top 2000
>officals in this mess and put them on "gave digging"
>details for two weeks, better to understand the cost
>of thier actions, and to remeber for the reset of
>thier goverment crearre. but will never happen, CYA.
>
>-mjm
>-mjm
>
>
>
>--- Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>Thanks Michael,
>>
>>Good points all.
>>
>>Maybe someone could explain to me (and this is only
>>ONE instance where 
>>the mayor and the people running the city of N.O.
>>dropped the ball) how 
>>it is that when they knew the levees were so likely
>>to be breached, that 
>>all of their city and school buses ended up under
>>water??
>>
>>Just who is it that should be better prepared for
>>this situation than 
>>the people who are living in it?
>>
>>As far as the strength of the levees go: They were
>>built to withstand 
>>the worst storm (Camille '69) that they had ever
>>seen there. They had 
>>been holding back the waters for almost forty years,
>>as designed. 
>>According to the ACE the breaks were not in the
>>places that were even on 
>>the list for addition or repair.
>>
>>Perhaps Bill's hatred of the President clouds his
>>vision of the situation???
>>
>>Rik
>>
>>michael meltzer wrote:
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>>>Frankly bill "blinded by the light" comes to mind
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>>or
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>>>Target fixation(same thing that cause a fighter
>>>      
>>>
>>pilot
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>>>fly his plan right into the ground). All you see is
>>>the "Feds", I think it a little broader. 
>>>
>>>I have a problem with allot of the players and also
>>>take the view that people make rationale decisions
>>>
>>>1)IIRC this is a coastal city that is 6 feet on
>>>average below sea level. You notice the original
>>>French quarter is OK, why did they let house be
>>>      
>>>
>>built
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>>>in the lower zones? cheap land maybe?????
>>>
>>>2)When I bought my house, I had to get a sign off
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>>>
>>on
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>>>the flood maps, people did not know????? Their are
>>>sign post all over town showing flood stages(west
>>>port), I am sure the locals know the score.
>>>
>>>3)what happen to every local officials? cut and run
>>>maybe???, I am sure their were least 500-1000
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>>>
>>school
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>>>bus in the local area before the storm. No need to
>>>spend the money????????
>>>
>>>4)population conditioned to "just ride it out",
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>>>
>>like
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>>>last time, ever notice all the cars in the flood?
>>>
>>>5)this has been a problem 30 year in the making,
>>>      
>>>
>>where
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>>>were the district, and city official "planing",
>>>      
>>>
>>again
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>>>they knew the score for a somewhat unique local
>>>problem, move equipment to high ground? preposition
>>>supplies(at least 72 hours worth)?, buy only high
>>>water capable vichicals for city use(like we does
>>>      
>>>
>>with
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>>>trash truck for plowing)? A quick reaction group
>>>      
>>>
>>with
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>>>supplies and methods to plug a level break? The
>>>      
>>>
>>flood
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>>>plans are were know, were was the automatics
>>>      
>>>
>>reaction
>>>from the local side to get their people out, you
>>know
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>>>the plan and supplies? 
>>>
>>>6)why did it take the Gerard/ to bring order? maybe
>>>something about being shot? the local cops looked
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>>just
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>>>like crown heights
>>>
>>>7)oh, do not forget all state people, both potical
>>>      
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>>and
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>>>full time staff who seemed duct all responsibly.
>>>      
>>>
>>Nice
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>>>living off the government tit? never make a
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>>>
>>decision
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>>>that could cost you your job? only contract out
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>>work? 
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>>>8)how of the levels did break? 500 feet out of 100
>>>      
>>>
>>of
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>>>miles? 99.99+% where OK, the repair thing again,
>>>      
>>>
>>their
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>>>are never any kick backs? shirty work?  
>>>
>>>9)FEMA looked bad, no too ways.
>>>
>>>10)maybe I am crackly in my old age, but the
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>>>
>>Russian
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>>>system shooting the general and turn to next in
>>>command "you are next if this is not solved in 24
>>>hour" was need here.
>>>
>>>11)the military has a problem moving, it it supply
>>>train, logical support, because everything is
>>>"organic" it take a while to move into position.
>>>      
>>>
>>they
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>>>used the 82 because they come with their own
>>>      
>>>
>>supplies
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>>>in the drop.
>>>
>>>12)could it be bill, just maybe, bush saying "he
>>>      
>>>
>>not
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>>>happy" was enough to shake the lead out of some
>>>burocrats to make a call, take a risk, solve the
>>>problem, like in keep their job. how many
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>>>
>>government
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>>
>>>employs are in play, from at least four pairale
>>>reporting lines(local, city, state, fed)? 10,000,
>>>100,000, more, I am not sure, how much is "command
>>>      
>>>
>>and
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>>>control" that failed? 
>>>
>>>13)So how much of a new asshole are you going to
>>>      
>>>
>>rip
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>>>me :-), I got at least 2 holes now :-) you will
>>>      
>>>
>>slice
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>>>and dice me in writing style. But when you claim I
>>>wrong, uninformed, misguided or do not understand.
>>>well that brings me back to the beginning. 
>>>      
>>>
>>"blinded
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>>>by the light"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am only getting started in the list, their are
>>>allot of players here who failed in leadership now
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>>and
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>>>over the years.
>>>
>>>
>>>-mjm
>>>
>>>PS. ED has the latest decoder ring:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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>>>
>>>>Wally,
>>>>
>>>>The death and destruction unfolding on the Gulf
>>>>Coast is not an "Act of 
>>>>God", and I'm going to speak up when anyone tries
>>>>        
>>>>
>>to
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>>>>shift the 
>>>>responsibility for this ongoing tragedy from our
>>>>federal government 
>>>>either to God or to the victims.
>>>>
>>>>The killing damage was not done by the hurricane
>>>>        
>>>>
>>in
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>>>>New Orleans.  The 
>>>>center of the hurricane narrowly missed to the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>East.
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>>>>Gulfport was flattened.
>>>>
>>>>The killing damage in New Orleans happened as a
>>>>result of Federally 
>>>>built levees, designed to withstand Category 3
>>>>storms, failing, and 
>>>>allowing the city to fill with water.  The Federal
>>>>Government then 
>>>>failed to understand that a catastrophe far worse
>>>>than any hurricane was 
>>>>in the process of unfolding.
>>>>
>>>>You may remember the discussion on this list about
>>>>the Army Corps of 
>>>>Engineers saying the water was going to be no
>>>>problem--that as soon as 
>>>>the level of the lake water fell below the level
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>>>>
>>of
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>>>>the levee, New 
>>>>Orleans would naturally drain right back out into
>>>>the lake.  Just don't 
>>>>plug up the holes.  I said that was stupid then. 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>Is
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