P-Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Wed Sep 21 13:22:51 EDT 2005
Michael,
I'm still gathering facts, but I read somewhere that 50,000 people were
evacuated through the airport. Brad might have a better number. If
that's true, it's close to the entire population of Galveston. People
were airlifted to the Convention Center by people acting under FEMA
despite the fact that there were no FEMA buses to take them away.
People were also airlifted to the airport for evacuation. I'm quite
sure the President has the ability to commandeer civilian aircraft in a
national emergency without asking for anyone's permission. Again, Brad
would know for sure. Many didn't get to the airport or the convention
center until day 3 because they were sitting on their roofs until day 3.
They were sitting on their roofs because the water got higher than it
ever could from the effects of a hurricane, and chased them up the
stairs of their own homes after the danger of the hurricane had passed.
The water was rising a bit too fast to pause to make peanut butter
sandwiches for the whole gang. FEMA didn't even know the levees broke
until 8 hours after the hurricane hit, and they did not tell people when
they found out, so the people could make peanut butter sandwiches and
wait on their roofs for help to come.
You seem to have no problem with your bullshit meter when you and others
start making up facts to fit your politics. But when someone actually
finds facts that can be confirmed, then, suddenly, you become
uninterested. I think policies should fit facts, not the other way
around. People slammed my facts with their politics, so I double
checked. My facts are right, you can check them if you're interested,
and I think the policies of President Bush are wrong.
Bill Effros
michael meltzer wrote:
>you still fo not look at how systems work. only what
>other say. It simple, every offical does not want fuck
>it up again, and that includes the state and local
>level this time. And everything I read confirms the
>state/fed issues outlined by others. and how many were
>the air lift issue? IIRC they were not even thier
>until day 3?, some were 'running for thier life' but
>most were not and this is more offuaction on the
>issue, I out of this until bullshit meter drops. It
>simply not wroth my time.
>
>-mjm
>
>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Wow, Rik,
>>
>>Nobody calls you a compassionate conservative, do
>>they?
>>
>>Let's see, you've chopped a hole through your roof
>>so you can escape
>>from your house after a levee breaks and floods 80%
>>of one of the
>>largest cities in the United States. 3 days later
>>somebody shows up in
>>a helicopter to rescue you--no, wait, I want to swim
>>downstairs to make
>>a few dozen peanut butter sandwiches for my
>>family...just hover there
>>for a second...why didn't I think of that earlier?
>>
>>And what about those people who didn't have the
>>foresight to bring jet
>>fuel to the airport? What's wrong with them? I
>>always bring jet fuel
>>along when I travel...just in case. You never know.
>>
>>Everybody knew the levee was going to break some
>>day. If they didn't
>>plan for it in advance, fuck em.
>>
>>And what about those idiots in Galveston putting a
>>city on a barrier
>>island? If Rita flattens it, let's not even talk
>>about rebuilding--that
>>proposition should be off the table. We'll teach
>>them to become more
>>self-sufficient, too.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>There you go, I think you hit it right on the
>>>
>>>
>>head.
>>
>>
>>>___________
>>>You said: "I have heard from the media that the
>>>
>>>
>>people were told to
>>
>>
>>>bring food and basic supplies to the Superdome. I
>>>
>>>
>>don't know about you
>>
>>
>>>but i can't even go to the lake for a day without
>>>
>>>
>>bring a sandwich and
>>
>>
>>>some water or a cold beer or two."
>>>___________
>>>
>>>I think many of the people who ended up in the
>>>
>>>
>>superdome or the
>>
>>
>>>convention center are the very same people that we
>>>
>>>
>>have trained to not
>>
>>
>>>be able to take care of themselves. The Gov't
>>>
>>>
>>pretty much provides
>>
>>
>>>everything they need during normal times. I
>>>
>>>
>>suppose it follows that
>>
>>
>>>they would all expect the same during a hurricane.
>>>
>>>
>>I don't suppose it
>>
>>
>>>even occurred to many of them that some of the
>>>
>>>
>>services they have all
>>
>>
>>>the time might be interrupted.
>>>
>>>Like you, for me it would just seem like good
>>>
>>>
>>common sense to have the
>>
>>
>>>makings for enough peanut butter sandwiches (or
>>>
>>>
>>something) and water
>>
>>
>>>to last a week or so while I was trying to get out
>>>
>>>
>>of town. Really, if
>>
>>
>>>one is paying attention at all, how many times
>>>
>>>
>>does a hurricane hit an
>>
>>
>>>area (any area) where the power and other services
>>>
>>>
>>aren't down for at
>>
>>
>>>least a week??
>>>
>>>I think one of the best things we could do for
>>>
>>>
>>most of these folks in
>>
>>
>>>the future would be to wean them from their
>>>
>>>
>>dependence on the gov't
>>
>>
>>>and teach them how to think for themselves. Some
>>>
>>>
>>of the things I saw
>>
>>
>>>on the news were just pathetic. Perfectly able
>>>
>>>
>>bodied people who
>>
>>
>>>hadn't been in their situation for 2 days yet,
>>>
>>>
>>bawling about how they
>>
>>
>>>were starving and had no water.
>>>
>>>And, shame on the media for picking these people
>>>
>>>
>>out of the crowd to
>>
>>
>>>sensationalize their situation. A situation that
>>>
>>>
>>ANYBODY with half a
>>
>>
>>>lick of sense would have handled by simply going
>>>
>>>
>>to the grocery store
>>
>>
>>>on Thursday, Friday, Saturday or, if you were
>>>
>>>
>>dragging your feet, even
>>
>>
>>>Sunday. It's not like there were no warnings that
>>>
>>>
>>this storm was coming!!
>>
>>
>>>Rik
>>>
>>>
>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ed,
>>>>
>>>>I think Rummy is saying FOX news leans right That
>>>>
>>>>
>>being said all the
>>
>>
>>>>media seemed to be on the same page.
>>>>
>>>>I have heard from the media that the people were
>>>>
>>>>
>>told to bring food
>>
>>
>>>>and basic supplies to the Superdome. I don't know
>>>>
>>>>
>>about you but i
>>
>>
>>>>can't even go to the lake for a day without bring
>>>>
>>>>
>>a sandwich and some
>>
>>
>>>>water or a cold beer or two.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>
>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Sept 20, 2005.
>>
>>
>>>>>Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:46:27 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rummy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, we agree on a few points. You said,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>"These people were
>>
>>
>>>>>told to go
>>>>>to a safe haven and then left without the means
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>to be taken care
>>
>>
>>>>>of." Then
>>>>>we all would like the truth to the answer to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>question, 'who told
>>
>>
>>>>>them to
>>>>>go there'. In addition, 'who was responsible
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>for safety and
>>
>>
>>>>>sustenance?'
>>>>>
>>>>>I question all media, some more than others.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>You stated, "but even
>>
>>
>>>>>Fox news
>>>>>was showing the same things". Are you telling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>us that Fox is the
>>
>>
>>>>>criterion
>>>>>for truth? Are you saying that Fox is the most
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>truthful of the lot?
>>
>>
>>>>>Lost in the rubric was a previous event that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>used the Superdome and
>>
>>
>>>>>found
>>>>>that it was completely lacking and destined for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>disaster. However,
>>
>>
>>>>>FEMA and
>>>>>the Federal government are not the responsible
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>governmental
>>
>>
>>>>>entities. Our
>>>>>Federal system places the responsibility first
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>on the States in this
>>
>>
>>>>>type
>>>>>situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Understand that I am not saying that the Fed's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>and FEMA did a good job.
>>
>>
>>>>>This whole episode was aggravated by the levees
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>breaking. As you
>>
>>
>>>>>said and I
>>>>>agree with you, "somebody's really screwed up
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>and they should pay
>>
>>
>>>>>the price
>>>>>for such incompetence. These people were told to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>go to a safe haven
>>
>>
>>>>>and then
>>>>>left without the means to be taken care of."
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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