P-Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.

[michael meltzer]

what facts? The feds moblize aircraft thought a system
CRFT<sp>, it a by product of the fed shipping contrct,
the system is rigged that the airlines have to dilver
so many aircraft in a time period based on the CRFT
level, but that happen over days and weeks, last time
IIRC this happing was the 1991 gulf war(caugth flat
footed), in this case I do not remember the system
activated, Specet it a FEMMA charters with the
airlines playing along to be good guys. 50,000 people
would be 5,000 to 10,000 helacoptor sortes. that a
very high number, not to mention the workload on the
groud crew(IIRC thier about 20-50 man hours of ground
crew time for every flight hour) for a few days and
only daylite, I would check how they got thier. Last
but not least, FEMMA is a contactor for the most part,
what FEMMA bus? and you do know about the state issues
that fuckup the the corrasion right? and it not
politcs, this got cuckup by a much lower leveal over a
very long system of time, what is bothering me is the
"whitch burn" ataiduted. -mjm 


--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> I'm still gathering facts, but I read somewhere that
> 50,000 people were 
> evacuated through the airport.  Brad might have a
> better number.  If 
> that's true, it's close to the entire population of
> Galveston.  People 
> were airlifted to the Convention Center by people
> acting under FEMA 
> despite the fact that there were no FEMA buses to
> take them away.  
> People were also airlifted to the airport for
> evacuation.  I'm quite 
> sure the President has the ability to commandeer
> civilian aircraft in a 
> national emergency without asking for anyone's
> permission.  Again, Brad 
> would know for sure.  Many didn't get to the airport
> or the convention 
> center until day 3 because they were sitting on
> their roofs until day 3.
> 
> They were sitting on their roofs because the water
> got higher than it 
> ever could from the effects of a hurricane, and
> chased them up the 
> stairs of their own homes after the danger of the
> hurricane had passed.  
> The water was rising a bit too fast to pause to 
> make peanut butter 
> sandwiches for the whole gang.  FEMA didn't even
> know the levees broke 
> until 8 hours after the hurricane hit, and they did
> not tell people when 
> they found out, so the people could make peanut
> butter sandwiches and 
> wait on their roofs for help to come.
> 
> You seem to have no problem with your bullshit meter
> when you and others 
> start making up facts to fit your politics.  But
> when someone actually 
> finds facts that can be confirmed, then, suddenly,
> you become 
> uninterested.  I think policies should fit facts,
> not the other way 
> around.  People slammed my facts with their
> politics, so I double 
> checked.  My facts are right, you can check them if
> you're interested, 
> and I think the policies of President Bush are
> wrong.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> michael meltzer wrote:
> 
> >you still fo not look at how systems work. only
> what
> >other say. It simple, every offical does not want
> fuck
> >it up again, and that includes the state and local
> >level this time. And everything I read confirms the
> >state/fed issues outlined by others. and how many
> were
> >the air lift issue? IIRC they were not even thier
> >until day 3?, some were 'running for thier life'
> but
> >most were not and this is more offuaction on the
> >issue, I out of this until bullshit meter drops. It
> >simply not wroth my time.
> >
> >-mjm
> >
> >--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Wow, Rik,
> >>
> >>Nobody calls you a compassionate conservative, do
> >>they?
> >>
> >>Let's see, you've chopped a hole through your roof
> >>so you can escape 
> >>from your house after a levee breaks and floods
> 80%
> >>of one of the 
> >>largest cities in the United States.  3 days later
> >>somebody shows up in 
> >>a helicopter to rescue you--no, wait, I want to
> swim
> >>downstairs to make 
> >>a few dozen peanut butter sandwiches for my
> >>family...just hover there 
> >>for a second...why didn't I think of that earlier?
> >>
> >>And what about those people who didn't have the
> >>foresight to bring jet 
> >>fuel to the airport?  What's wrong with them?  I
> >>always bring jet fuel 
> >>along when I travel...just in case.  You never
> know.
> >>
> >>Everybody knew the levee was going to break some
> >>day.  If they didn't 
> >>plan for it in advance, fuck em.
> >>
> >>And what about those idiots in Galveston putting a
> >>city on a barrier 
> >>island?  If Rita flattens it, let's not even talk
> >>about rebuilding--that 
> >>proposition should be off the table.  We'll teach
> >>them to become more 
> >>self-sufficient, too.
> >>
> >>Bill Effros
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Rik Sandberg wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Wally,
> >>>
> >>>There you go, I think you hit it right on the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>head.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>___________
> >>>You said: "I have heard from the media that the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>people were told to 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>bring food and basic supplies to the Superdome. I
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>don't know about you 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>but i can't even go to the lake for a day without
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>bring a sandwich and 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>some water or a cold beer or two."
> >>>___________
> >>>
> >>>I think many of the people who ended up in the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>superdome or the 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>convention center are the very same people that
> we
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>have trained to not 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>be able to take care of themselves. The Gov't
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>pretty much provides 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>everything they need during normal times. I
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>suppose it follows that 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>they would all expect the same during a
> hurricane.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I don't suppose it 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>even occurred to many of them that some of the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>services they have all 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>the time might be interrupted.
> >>>
> >>>Like you, for me it would just seem like good
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>common sense to have the 
> >>    
> >>
> 
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