P-Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.

[Hank]

MJM,
 I think your ratio of ground to flight hours is way high. I spent 10 years
in Army aviation and the Apache was the worst we had at 12-1. Hueys and
blackhawks were more in the 6-1 category. And it is not evenly spaced. A lot
of the hours are counted when the aircraft go into overhaul, which is every
100-500 hours, depending on type. During flight ops, especially emergency
ops, ratio can be as low as 1-1 or even lower.
 Hank

 On 9/21/05, michael meltzer <michaelmeltzer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> what facts? The feds moblize aircraft thought a system
> CRFT<sp>, it a by product of the fed shipping contrct,
> the system is rigged that the airlines have to dilver
> so many aircraft in a time period based on the CRFT
> level, but that happen over days and weeks, last time
> IIRC this happing was the 1991 gulf war(caugth flat
> footed), in this case I do not remember the system
> activated, Specet it a FEMMA charters with the
> airlines playing along to be good guys. 50,000 people
> would be 5,000 to 10,000 helacoptor sortes. that a
> very high number, not to mention the workload on the
> groud crew(IIRC thier about 20-50 man hours of ground
> crew time for every flight hour) for a few days and
> only daylite, I would check how they got thier. Last
> but not least, FEMMA is a contactor for the most part,
> what FEMMA bus? and you do know about the state issues
> that fuckup the the corrasion right? and it not
> politcs, this got cuckup by a much lower leveal over a
> very long system of time, what is bothering me is the
> "whitch burn" ataiduted. -mjm
>
>
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > I'm still gathering facts, but I read somewhere that
> > 50,000 people were
> > evacuated through the airport. Brad might have a
> > better number. If
> > that's true, it's close to the entire population of
> > Galveston. People
> > were airlifted to the Convention Center by people
> > acting under FEMA
> > despite the fact that there were no FEMA buses to
> > take them away.
> > People were also airlifted to the airport for
> > evacuation. I'm quite
> > sure the President has the ability to commandeer
> > civilian aircraft in a
> > national emergency without asking for anyone's
> > permission. Again, Brad
> > would know for sure. Many didn't get to the airport
> > or the convention
> > center until day 3 because they were sitting on
> > their roofs until day 3.
> >
> > They were sitting on their roofs because the water
> > got higher than it
> > ever could from the effects of a hurricane, and
> > chased them up the
> > stairs of their own homes after the danger of the
> > hurricane had passed.
> > The water was rising a bit too fast to pause to
> > make peanut butter
> > sandwiches for the whole gang. FEMA didn't even
> > know the levees broke
> > until 8 hours after the hurricane hit, and they did
> > not tell people when
> > they found out, so the people could make peanut
> > butter sandwiches and
> > wait on their roofs for help to come.
> >
> > You seem to have no problem with your bullshit meter
> > when you and others
> > start making up facts to fit your politics. But
> > when someone actually
> > finds facts that can be confirmed, then, suddenly,
> > you become
> > uninterested. I think policies should fit facts,
> > not the other way
> > around. People slammed my facts with their
> > politics, so I double
> > checked. My facts are right, you can check them if
> > you're interested,
> > and I think the policies of President Bush are
> > wrong.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > michael meltzer wrote:
> >
> > >you still fo not look at how systems work. only
> > what
> > >other say. It simple, every offical does not want
> > fuck
> > >it up again, and that includes the state and local
> > >level this time. And everything I read confirms the
> > >state/fed issues outlined by others. and how many
> > were
> > >the air lift issue? IIRC they were not even thier
> > >until day 3?, some were 'running for thier life'
> > but
> > >most were not and this is more offuaction on the
> > >issue, I out of this until bullshit meter drops. It
> > >simply not wroth my time.
> > >
> > >-mjm
> > >
> > >--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Wow, Rik,
> > >>
> > >>Nobody calls you a compassionate conservative, do
> > >>they?
> > >>
> > >>Let's see, you've chopped a hole through your roof
> > >>so you can escape
> > >>from your house after a levee breaks and floods
> > 80%
> > >>of one of the
> > >>largest cities in the United States. 3 days later
> > >>somebody shows up in
> > >>a helicopter to rescue you--no, wait, I want to
> > swim
> > >>downstairs to make
> > >>a few dozen peanut butter sandwiches for my
> > >>family...just hover there
> > >>for a second...why didn't I think of that earlier?
> > >>
> > >>And what about those people who didn't have the
> > >>foresight to bring jet
> > >>fuel to the airport? What's wrong with them? I
> > >>always bring jet fuel
> > >>along when I travel...just in case. You never
> > know.
> > >>
> > >>Everybody knew the levee was going to break some
> > >>day. If they didn't
> > >>plan for it in advance, fuck em.
> > >>
> > >>And what about those idiots in Galveston putting a
> > >>city on a barrier
> > >>island? If Rita flattens it, let's not even talk
> > >>about rebuilding--that
> > >>proposition should be off the table. We'll teach
> > >>them to become more
> > >>self-sufficient, too.
> > >>
> > >>Bill Effros
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Rik Sandberg wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Wally,
> > >>>
> > >>>There you go, I think you hit it right on the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>head.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>___________
> > >>>You said: "I have heard from the media that the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>people were told to
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>bring food and basic supplies to the Superdome. I
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>don't know about you
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>but i can't even go to the lake for a day without
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>bring a sandwich and
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>some water or a cold beer or two."
> > >>>___________
> > >>>
> > >>>I think many of the people who ended up in the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>superdome or the
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>convention center are the very same people that
> > we
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>have trained to not
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>be able to take care of themselves. The Gov't
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>pretty much provides
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>everything they need during normal times. I
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>suppose it follows that
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>they would all expect the same during a
> > hurricane.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>I don't suppose it
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>even occurred to many of them that some of the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>services they have all
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>the time might be interrupted.
> > >>>
> > >>>Like you, for me it would just seem like good
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>common sense to have the
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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