P-Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.

[michael meltzer]

not shocked, the number came from the "justation" to
pruchace new aircraft. -mjm

--- Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> MJM,
>  I think your ratio of ground to flight hours is way
> high. I spent 10 years
> in Army aviation and the Apache was the worst we had
> at 12-1. Hueys and
> blackhawks were more in the 6-1 category. And it is
> not evenly spaced. A lot
> of the hours are counted when the aircraft go into
> overhaul, which is every
> 100-500 hours, depending on type. During flight ops,
> especially emergency
> ops, ratio can be as low as 1-1 or even lower.
>  Hank
> 
>  On 9/21/05, michael meltzer
> <michaelmeltzer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > what facts? The feds moblize aircraft thought a
> system
> > CRFT<sp>, it a by product of the fed shipping
> contrct,
> > the system is rigged that the airlines have to
> dilver
> > so many aircraft in a time period based on the
> CRFT
> > level, but that happen over days and weeks, last
> time
> > IIRC this happing was the 1991 gulf war(caugth
> flat
> > footed), in this case I do not remember the system
> > activated, Specet it a FEMMA charters with the
> > airlines playing along to be good guys. 50,000
> people
> > would be 5,000 to 10,000 helacoptor sortes. that a
> > very high number, not to mention the workload on
> the
> > groud crew(IIRC thier about 20-50 man hours of
> ground
> > crew time for every flight hour) for a few days
> and
> > only daylite, I would check how they got thier.
> Last
> > but not least, FEMMA is a contactor for the most
> part,
> > what FEMMA bus? and you do know about the state
> issues
> > that fuckup the the corrasion right? and it not
> > politcs, this got cuckup by a much lower leveal
> over a
> > very long system of time, what is bothering me is
> the
> > "whitch burn" ataiduted. -mjm
> >
> >
> > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > I'm still gathering facts, but I read somewhere
> that
> > > 50,000 people were
> > > evacuated through the airport. Brad might have a
> > > better number. If
> > > that's true, it's close to the entire population
> of
> > > Galveston. People
> > > were airlifted to the Convention Center by
> people
> > > acting under FEMA
> > > despite the fact that there were no FEMA buses
> to
> > > take them away.
> > > People were also airlifted to the airport for
> > > evacuation. I'm quite
> > > sure the President has the ability to commandeer
> > > civilian aircraft in a
> > > national emergency without asking for anyone's
> > > permission. Again, Brad
> > > would know for sure. Many didn't get to the
> airport
> > > or the convention
> > > center until day 3 because they were sitting on
> > > their roofs until day 3.
> > >
> > > They were sitting on their roofs because the
> water
> > > got higher than it
> > > ever could from the effects of a hurricane, and
> > > chased them up the
> > > stairs of their own homes after the danger of
> the
> > > hurricane had passed.
> > > The water was rising a bit too fast to pause to
> > > make peanut butter
> > > sandwiches for the whole gang. FEMA didn't even
> > > know the levees broke
> > > until 8 hours after the hurricane hit, and they
> did
> > > not tell people when
> > > they found out, so the people could make peanut
> > > butter sandwiches and
> > > wait on their roofs for help to come.
> > >
> > > You seem to have no problem with your bullshit
> meter
> > > when you and others
> > > start making up facts to fit your politics. But
> > > when someone actually
> > > finds facts that can be confirmed, then,
> suddenly,
> > > you become
> > > uninterested. I think policies should fit facts,
> > > not the other way
> > > around. People slammed my facts with their
> > > politics, so I double
> > > checked. My facts are right, you can check them
> if
> > > you're interested,
> > > and I think the policies of President Bush are
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > > Bill Effros
> > >
> > > michael meltzer wrote:
> > >
> > > >you still fo not look at how systems work. only
> > > what
> > > >other say. It simple, every offical does not
> want
> > > fuck
> > > >it up again, and that includes the state and
> local
> > > >level this time. And everything I read confirms
> the
> > > >state/fed issues outlined by others. and how
> many
> > > were
> > > >the air lift issue? IIRC they were not even
> thier
> > > >until day 3?, some were 'running for thier
> life'
> > > but
> > > >most were not and this is more offuaction on
> the
> > > >issue, I out of this until bullshit meter
> drops. It
> > > >simply not wroth my time.
> > > >
> > > >-mjm
> > > >
> > > >--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Wow, Rik,
> > > >>
> > > >>Nobody calls you a compassionate conservative,
> do
> > > >>they?
> > > >>
> > > >>Let's see, you've chopped a hole through your
> roof
> > > >>so you can escape
> > > >>from your house after a levee breaks and
> floods
> > > 80%
> > > >>of one of the
> > > >>largest cities in the United States. 3 days
> later
> > > >>somebody shows up in
> > > >>a helicopter to rescue you--no, wait, I want
> to
> > > swim
> > > >>downstairs to make
> > > >>a few dozen peanut butter sandwiches for my
> > > >>family...just hover there
> > > >>for a second...why didn't I think of that
> earlier?
> > > >>
> > > >>And what about those people who didn't have
> the
> > > >>foresight to bring jet
> > > >>fuel to the airport? What's wrong with them? I
> > > >>always bring jet fuel
> > > >>along when I travel...just in case. You never
> > > know.
> > > >>
> > > >>Everybody knew the levee was going to break
> some
> > > >>day. If they didn't
> > > >>plan for it in advance, fuck em.
> > > >>
> > > >>And what about those idiots in Galveston
> putting a
> > > >>city on a barrier
> > > >>island? If Rita flattens it, let's not even
> talk
> > > >>about rebuilding--that
> > > >>proposition should be off the table. We'll
> teach
> > > >>them to become more
> 
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