[Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and drinking.
Rik Sandberg
sanderico at earthlink.net
Fri Sep 23 10:23:47 EDT 2005
Bill,
It'll be interesting to see if Wally thinks I disagreed with him.
I wonder, just how wide do we have to build a freeway just incase we
might have one major hurricane in in 20 or 30 years?
Probably right about the proportions of horseshit vs drinking. :-)
Rik
Bill Effros wrote:
Bill Effros wrote:
> Rik,
>
> Wally said the government didn't learn because it's evacuation plans
> hadn't been changed, but that he thought people would evacuate sooner
> in the face of Rita, because citizens had learned.
>
> Initially I took the other position, but then I saw the AP story, and
> said maybe I was wrong.
>
> As I understand what you have said, you are the one who is disagreeing
> with Wally.
>
> Now, I'm sure Rummy will soon note that we seem to have our
> proportions of horse shit and drinking reversed.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> You've got a pretty darn strange way of "agreeing"
>>
>>> "This is the worst planning I've ever seen," said Judie Anderson,
>>> who covered just 45 miles in 12 hours after setting out from her
>>> home in the Houston suburb of LaPorte. "They say we've learned a lot
>>> from Hurricane Katrina. Well, you couldn't prove it by me."
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm with Wally. Didn't seem like "agreement" to me either.
>>
>> The gov't may have learned from Katrina, BUT it seems the people
>> didn't. They all act like a herd of cattle all trying to squeeze
>> through the barn door at the same time. Do any of them own a map?
>> have they never thought that there are state highways and county and
>> even township roads that go the same direction they want to go? No, a
>> million of them just mindlessly head for the freeway and can't
>> understand why there is a traffic problem.
>>
>> All this reliance on the gov't is turning people into a bunch of
>> mindless idiots.
>>
>> OH MY GOD .... there I go .... blaming the victims again.
>>
>> Rik
>>
>>
>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>
>>> Wally,
>>>
>>> I was agreeing with you. You made a point. I said I thought you
>>> were wrong. Then I saw this story. Then I said maybe you were
>>> right. Now you say I don't seem to understand....
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I guess Julie Anderson hasn't learn much as well. There are always
>>>> traffic jams when they evacuate large cities. The larger the
>>>> population the bigger the problem.
>>>>
>>>> She is 45 miles away from Houston, the storm isn't due until
>>>> tomorrow. Shut up and keep driving. It sounds like she will be
>>>> safe. She is whining already and not a drop of rain. This just goes
>>>> to show how difficult the task is.
>>>>
>>>> There will always be problems with an evacuation of this size. You
>>>> don't seem to understand this. Nothing iis perfect. People are free
>>>> to leave when ever they want. You don't have to wait for a
>>>> government order.
>>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and drinking.
>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:59 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you were right. This from the Associated Press:
>>>>>
>>>>> "This is the worst planning I've ever seen," said Judie Anderson,
>>>>> who covered just 45 miles in 12 hours after setting out from her
>>>>> home in the Houston suburb of LaPorte. "They say we've learned a
>>>>> lot from Hurricane Katrina. Well, you couldn't prove it by me."
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I heard the mayors of Gavelston and Houston interviewed last
>>>>>> night. They were asked what changes they made to evac plan post
>>>>>> Katrina. The said basically none. They have spent years educating
>>>>>> the public about the dangers of hurricanes. They talked about how
>>>>>> hard they had trained for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the real lessons learned were from the citizens. I have a
>>>>>> fealing people will take these storms more serioulsy in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and drinking.
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:48:22 -0400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did not mean to berate Herb, and I do understand how my
>>>>>>> comments could have been taken that way, and for that I
>>>>>>> apologize to Herb, and to the rest of the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I was trying to say was that people on the scene can tell
>>>>>>> us what they see, but that those first hand accounts should not
>>>>>>> be confused with expertise about obscure laws that do not apply,
>>>>>>> or a special knowledge of the sequence of events which the
>>>>>>> observer did not see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Blind Men and the Elephant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not blaming anyone for anything, except those who yell
>>>>>>> "Blame Game" over and over to obscure the facts, and then start
>>>>>>> flooding the Internet with completely false information. In my
>>>>>>> view that is dangerous, and someone must speak out against it.
>>>>>>> General Honore has done so, and I applaud him for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current situation with Rita is exactly the same as the
>>>>>>> situation with Katrina was, this many days before the hurricane
>>>>>>> hit. FEMA is in action. Local governments are doing their
>>>>>>> best. Pre-determined evacuation plans are being implemented on
>>>>>>> the local, state and federal levels. Things have been learned
>>>>>>> in the intervening 3 weeks, they are being applied, and we will
>>>>>>> surely have less loss of life this time around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is the reason it is so important to get the facts
>>>>>>> right, from the get-go, and not be lulled by a President who
>>>>>>> says, wrongly, again and again, "There is plenty of time for us
>>>>>>> to figure out what went wrong..." Well, there wasn't plenty of
>>>>>>> time to figure out what went wrong, and luckily many people
>>>>>>> started trying to figure it out and do something about it
>>>>>>> immediately..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb provided us a first hand account of what he witnessed. The
>>>>>>>> man has been through hell and has still taken the time to help.
>>>>>>>> Why are you berating him? He never claimed he was an expert.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I must admit I have to chuckly every time I see Busch on TV. I
>>>>>>>> think the guy is a clown. However he did not cause this. Not to
>>>>>>>> make light but in some ways the less hands on .....the less he
>>>>>>>> will screw up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems obvious that there wasn't a sound evacuation plan.
>>>>>>>> This is a local issue not federal. If we focus on seeking blame
>>>>>>>> this will happen again. If we focus on how local governments
>>>>>>>> can better prepare for these type emergencies the citizens will
>>>>>>>> be better off. If there were protocol issues fix them. Blaming
>>>>>>>> Bush solves nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Horse shit and drinking.
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:47:12 -0400
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Driving a boat through muck does not qualify you as a
>>>>>>>>> jurisdictional expert in Federal Emergency Management. What
>>>>>>>>> you heard from people in the water, that they did what they
>>>>>>>>> were supposed to do, is correct. However, FEMA must
>>>>>>>>> coordinate the response to emergencies. That is its mandate.
>>>>>>>>> They don't need to get permission from anyone else--that's
>>>>>>>>> their job when emergencies occur.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FEMA was like a deer in the headlights. First responders were
>>>>>>>>> turned away by FEMA officials in New Orleans. This did not
>>>>>>>>> happen in New York. I think we all agree that the heads of
>>>>>>>>> FEMA were incompetent political cronies. They will be gone.
>>>>>>>>> However, their superiors in the Federal Government did not
>>>>>>>>> take this matter seriously enough to interrupt what they were
>>>>>>>>> doing to oversee what was obviously a disaster.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just like local officials in New York, the local officials in
>>>>>>>>> New Orleans did their best and screwed up. We lost 100s of
>>>>>>>>> first responders here in NYC due to the incompetence of our
>>>>>>>>> local politicians. But we saved thousands due to the prompt,
>>>>>>>>> if not always correct, actions of the Federal Government.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Federal Government was on vacation this August, but,
>>>>>>>>> unlike you, the individuals in positions of responsibility did
>>>>>>>>> not take time off from their vacations to deal with an
>>>>>>>>> emergency while it was happening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is part of a trend that has been noted often before. Let
>>>>>>>>> me point out, yet again, that on August 6, 2001 President Bush
>>>>>>>>> received a memo from the CIA, while vacationing on his ranch,
>>>>>>>>> entitled: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US". The
>>>>>>>>> President did not interrupt his vacation for that one, either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're leaving out one major factor in the comparison. The
>>>>>>>>>> FAA has jurisdiction over flights. The Mayor of New Orleans
>>>>>>>>>> has jurisdiction over the city, the Governor over the state
>>>>>>>>>> of Louisiana. I'm going to repeat this, from what I heard at
>>>>>>>>>> the scene, the Coast Guard in Alexandria was ready BEFORE the
>>>>>>>>>> storm hit. Their services were offered to the state, the
>>>>>>>>>> state declined, putting their game wardens in charge. Once
>>>>>>>>>> the feds were released to act, they acted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's a popular misconception for folks to talk about "not
>>>>>>>>>> answering the phone" when the President is on "vacation." He
>>>>>>>>>> has a phone when he's on vacation. He has an office when he's
>>>>>>>>>> on vacation. It's that type of hyperbole that diminishes
>>>>>>>>>> credibility for those that employ it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I was on "vacation" when I was in New Orleans. I've got
>>>>>>>>>> the pay stubs to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>>>>>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>>>>>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>>>>>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>>>>>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill at effros.com 9/20/2005 8:09:56 AM >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In early 2001 FEMA identified the 3 most catastrophic
>>>>>>>>>> situations it might some day have to address. They were:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. A terrorist attack on NYC.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. A major earthquake in San Francisco.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. A levee break in New Orleans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On September 11, 2001, 37 minutes after the take-off of the
>>>>>>>>>> first hijacked airplane, the FAA requested that military
>>>>>>>>>> aircraft scramble to help deal with the known hijacking.
>>>>>>>>>> Within 9 minutes there were military aircraft in the sky. 4
>>>>>>>>>> minutes later, the military received notice that the airplane
>>>>>>>>>> they were trying to find had just hit the World Trade
>>>>>>>>>> Center. The President of the United States, on his way to a
>>>>>>>>>> "Photo Op" in a school in Florida, was immediately informed.
>>>>>>>>>> He told reporters before entering the school that he was
>>>>>>>>>> aware of the fact that a plane had smashed into the World
>>>>>>>>>> Trade Center. 3 minutes later the FAA determined that a
>>>>>>>>>> second aircraft had been hijacked, and immediately the FAA
>>>>>>>>>> began contacting and diverting airplanes. 7 minutes later a
>>>>>>>>>> different FAA flight controller called a different military
>>>>>>>>>> installation to request help. A minute later, another FAA
>>>>>>>>>> flight controller, in yet another part of the country called
>>>>>>>>>> another military unit to request aircraft be scrambled. None
>>>>>>>>>> of these flight controllers knew that the others had acted.
>>>>>>>>>> The military did not know that it had received multiple
>>>>>>>>>> requests. 8 minutes later there were multiple military
>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets over Long Island. 5 minutes later the fighters
>>>>>>>>>> were moved over Manhattan. A minute later jets were
>>>>>>>>>> scrambled from Langly AFB in Virginia and sent up to NYC
>>>>>>>>>> because the fighters over NYC were running low on fuel. 8
>>>>>>>>>> minutes later the FAA closed all NYC airports. 4 minutes
>>>>>>>>>> later the Port Authority of NYC closed all bridges and
>>>>>>>>>> tunnels. 1 minute later the FAA told Dulles air controllers
>>>>>>>>>> to watch for incoming hijacked aircraft. 4 minutes later the
>>>>>>>>>> military established a combat air patrol over Manhattan, and,
>>>>>>>>>> at the same time, the FAA grounded all aircraft all over the
>>>>>>>>>> country. 5 minutes later, the President of the United States
>>>>>>>>>> went on National TV to announce that the country had suffered
>>>>>>>>>> "an apparent terrorist attack". 15 minutes later the White
>>>>>>>>>> House was evacuated. 12 minutes later the President left
>>>>>>>>>> Florida for an Air Force Base in Louisiana. 9 minutes later
>>>>>>>>>> the South Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. 5
>>>>>>>>>> minutes later part of the Pentagon collapsed. 9 minutes
>>>>>>>>>> later the UN building was evacuated. 15 minutes later the
>>>>>>>>>> North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. 17 minutes
>>>>>>>>>> later all Federal buildings in Washington DC were evacuated.
>>>>>>>>>> 7 minutes later, all DC area airports were closed. 10
>>>>>>>>>> minutes later the Mayor of NYC ordered the evacuation of
>>>>>>>>>> everyone south of the World Trade Center. 2 hours and 2
>>>>>>>>>> minutes later, the President of the United States, speaking
>>>>>>>>>> from Barksdale AFB in Louisiana, said the US military has
>>>>>>>>>> been put on high alert world wide. 44 minutes later the
>>>>>>>>>> President of the United States flew to an Air Force base in
>>>>>>>>>> Nebraska. 4 hours and 53 minutes later, Defense Secretary
>>>>>>>>>> Rumsfeld announced that the Pentagon had re-opened and was
>>>>>>>>>> conducting business. 13 minutes later the President returned
>>>>>>>>>> to the White House from Omaha, Nebraska. By this time, FEMA
>>>>>>>>>> was on the ground, inside both New York City and Washington
>>>>>>>>>> DC coordinating the nation's response to the disaster.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now let's compare that response to the Federal Government's
>>>>>>>>>> response to Hurricane Katrina.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 26 the State of Louisiana declared a state
>>>>>>>>>> of emergency because it was clear that hurricane Katrina was
>>>>>>>>>> going to strike somewhere on the Louisiana coast. FEMA was
>>>>>>>>>> automatically notified.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 27, FEMA took no action to mitigate what
>>>>>>>>>> was sure to be a major disaster somewhere on the Gulf Coast.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 28, the National Weather Service posted
>>>>>>>>>> this warning under the headline :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ''Hurricane Katrina. A most powerful hurricane with
>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented strength.".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> longer...Power outages will last for weeks...Water shortages
>>>>>>>>>> will make human suffering incredible by modern standards.''
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The warning had been written years earlier. Only the name of
>>>>>>>>>> the hurricane was inserted at the last minute. There was no
>>>>>>>>>> question that the hurricane would strike somewhere along the
>>>>>>>>>> Gulf Coast of the United States, resulting in massive loss of
>>>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The President of the United States immediately issued a
>>>>>>>>>> declaration of emergency for the Gulf Coast region. He also
>>>>>>>>>> found time to cut a cake for John McCain, play a guitar for
>>>>>>>>>> Mark Wills, deliver an address about V-J day, and stay at his
>>>>>>>>>> ranch to continue his vacation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Mayor of New Orleans issued a mandatory evacuation order
>>>>>>>>>> for the entire city.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 29, the hurricane hit, at 6:10 am narrowly
>>>>>>>>>> missing New Orleans, but flattening several cities to the
>>>>>>>>>> East. The loss of life in one small town in Mississippi was
>>>>>>>>>> immediately known to be greater than the total loss of life
>>>>>>>>>> resulting from 3 hurricanes that hit Florida the previous
>>>>>>>>>> year which resulted in a massive and immediate federal
>>>>>>>>>> disaster relief response just prior to a Presidential
>>>>>>>>>> election in a state with 25 electoral votes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 10,000 people who were unable to leave New Orleans were
>>>>>>>>>> already being sheltered in the Superdome as part of the
>>>>>>>>>> emergency evacuation procedure devised by disaster mitigation
>>>>>>>>>> experts from FEMA. It was known that they had no food or
>>>>>>>>>> water, and that it was the responsibility of FEMA to provide
>>>>>>>>>> everything they would need to safely evacuate the victims.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The President remained on vacation. The head of FEMA went to
>>>>>>>>>> Baton Rouge. The Vice President remained on vacation. The
>>>>>>>>>> Head of Homeland security remained on vacation. The
>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State remained on vacation. Congress remained
>>>>>>>>>> on vacation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Local officials on the ground knew that their resources had
>>>>>>>>>> been overwhelmed, and they knew they needed massive and
>>>>>>>>>> immediate Federal assistance. Federal aid was the primary
>>>>>>>>>> component of disaster response to a tragedy of this
>>>>>>>>>> magnitude. But the Federal Government simply was not
>>>>>>>>>> answering the phone. They were on vacation, and too busy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then the levee broke in New Orleans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually Rummy, I don't live in another country, nor am I
>>>>>>>>>>> basing what I say on watching "the news much". I spoke
>>>>>>>>>>> personally with the commander on duty at the Coast Guard
>>>>>>>>>>> staging area in Alexandria. He had the resources in place,
>>>>>>>>>>> waiting in Alexandria. He was waiting for permission FROM
>>>>>>>>>>> THE STATE to send them in. The STATE chose to have their
>>>>>>>>>>> resources in place, namely the Louisiana Fish and Wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>> Department (yep, that's right Governor Blanco chose to put
>>>>>>>>>>> her state's game wardens in charge of recovery, instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> the feds, who are trained to do that.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was there friend, I saw it first hand. I saw the news
>>>>>>>>>>> cameras on site at the barricades, in their air conditioned
>>>>>>>>>>> portables studios. On the other hand, out in the streets,
>>>>>>>>>>> there were a few print media folks, but very few. The only
>>>>>>>>>>> video crew I saw "out in the field" was with the Air
>>>>>>>>>>> National Guard. The rest of the folks didn't want to stray
>>>>>>>>>>> far from their portable studios. And, in spite of your
>>>>>>>>>>> absolute belief that it was the news media that brought
>>>>>>>>>>> about change is as misguided and misinformed as the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>> the nonsense you seem to be subscribing to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But, that wasn't the point of what I was saying at all. My
>>>>>>>>>>> point was folks can stand around pointing fingers at others
>>>>>>>>>>> all they want, but that gets NOTHING done. Before anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> complains about what someone else did or did not do, they
>>>>>>>>>>> should ask themselves what THEY did.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I view the governments role to fill in where the individuals
>>>>>>>>>>> can't (I can't personally build a highway, or field an
>>>>>>>>>>> army), but that does NOT relieve the individual of their
>>>>>>>>>>> duty when the need arises. I went to NO because I couldn't
>>>>>>>>>>> be me and NOT go. My boss instructed me to stop thanking him
>>>>>>>>>>> for letting me take off, that he did so because it's what he
>>>>>>>>>>> had to do. My wife and children told me to stop apologizing
>>>>>>>>>>> for missing my wife's 50 birthday party, that they missed
>>>>>>>>>>> me, but that what I was doing was more important.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everywhere I went, and this isn't hearing it from a
>>>>>>>>>>> television reporter looking for ratings, or an ex-first lady
>>>>>>>>>>> trying to position herself for the next presidential
>>>>>>>>>>> vacancy, EVERYWHERE I went, I saw people first hand doing
>>>>>>>>>>> what they could do; whether it was giving me some gas cans
>>>>>>>>>>> so we can put gas in our DUKW, or handing a baby to our crew
>>>>>>>>>>> on the boat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> THAT my friend, is what "we" are. We AREN'T the whimpering
>>>>>>>>>>> whining media, or the jostling politicians looking to gain
>>>>>>>>>>> ratings numbers on the Neilson or the latest poll on the
>>>>>>>>>>> backs of those that lost everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and for whatever it's worth, I'm still getting in boat
>>>>>>>>>>> time too. Mast going up got delayed by a few days because of
>>>>>>>>>>> the trip, but it went up today. It had to, our sail club is
>>>>>>>>>>> taking a group of handicapped kids out sailing this weekend,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I committed and need to be ready.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> THAT's the country I live in, since you asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, go have your drink, and watch your game.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>>>>>>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>>>>>>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>>>>>>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>>>>>>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com 9/19/2005 8:54:09 PM >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>> You either live in a different country or don't watch the
>>>>>>>>>>> news much. Our gov't sat on their collective hands and did
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing for the people of NO for five, yes count them, five
>>>>>>>>>>> days. And then it was only after the news media made them
>>>>>>>>>>> look as stupid as they collectively are that they decided to
>>>>>>>>>>> finally do something.
>>>>>>>>>>> The governments own weather person said this was going to be
>>>>>>>>>>> a devastating storm 24 hours before it struck. It certainly
>>>>>>>>>>> had time to react, but no, those idiots in FEMA (not
>>>>>>>>>>> trained in emergency management) didn't know what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>> Hell, I could go on and on and rehash the same shit, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> won't. There's more important things to attend to tonight,
>>>>>>>>>>> like watching football and drinking. Remember, a shot in the
>>>>>>>>>>> glass is better than one in the ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy
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