[Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.

[Rik Sandberg]

Bill, Luis, Wally,

Sure, I agree. It's not hard at all to exceed hull speed when it's 
blowing 25 knots. I have done it both with our R22 and now with our 
Flicka. I averaged over 6 knots for a couple hours one afternoon with 
the Flicka on Kentucky Lake last year. Top speed  (that we saw) was 7.1. 
Looking at the GPS most times during that stretch would give 6.5 to 6.8 
readings. The winds this day were out of the west, which on KY Lake only 
gives a fetch of a mile (give or take) so the water was pretty smooth.

That said, how many of us would even be out there when it is blowing 
that hard? Let alone with sail up. On the day I described above, I was 
it. Me and a couple of barges, and it's not like there's a shortage of 
sailboats on KY Lake.

One of the selling points for me when we bought our R22 was it's ability 
to handle heavier weather and it does that quite well. When I traded to 
the Flicka I was looking for (among other things) even better heavy 
weather ability, which it has. But still, given the tendency toward 
gustier and shiftier winds on most inland waterways, those 25 knot+ days 
will test your skill level even on a Flicka and surely give most sailors 
a gut check. As I said, most won't ever see those conditions ..... 
except from the shore.

Rik

TN Rhodey wrote:
> Good topic! It is true that racers sit on the lee side to create heel 
> helping fill sails in calm conditions. I am not sure if Rummys comment 
> was tongue in cheek but 30 degrees is too much. If the rail is buried 
> you are losing speed. In my opinion the R22 likes to be sailed flatter 
> flat going down wind and some heel going up.
>
> Rik mentions the "right" conditions.  For me I have hit my top speeds 
> in the R22 while on a broad reach in heavy winds. The boat generally 
> is balanced with just a slight heel, weight forward, and the CB up. I 
> sail inland lakes and can achieve 6 - 7 knots easily under these 
> conditions. I also have had some spinnaker runs well over hull speed 
> as well.
>
> I can also motor over "hull speed" with a 6 HP motor running wide open.
>
> Keep in my mind there is more than one formula for hull speed.
>
> Wally
>
>
>> From: Luis Guzman <trpclman at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:35:25 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>> Rik,
>>
>>   I have sailed in flat waters at 6.5 to 7 knots in my R22 so it does 
>> not have anything to do with following seas. On the same conditions, 
>> I have not been able to do more that 6 knots when the railed is buried.
>>
>>   Luis
>>
>> Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>   Bill,
>>
>> What you say may work in the ocean, or perhaps in a large bay or sound
>> like LIS, downwind with a following sea. I don't believe you're going to
>> make that happen on a lake though.
>>
>> I can usually get better than average speed out of a sailboat. You can
>> ask anybody that's sailed with me. I have not been able to do what you
>> claim to do for more than a few seconds on a lake, even with waves as
>> high as five feet, on a broad reach.
>>
>> Not saying it can't be done, BUT you need the right conditions. Most of
>> the lake sailors on this list will never see those conditions.
>>
>> Rik
>>
>> Bill Effros wrote:
>> > Bob,
>> >
>> > The speed limitation applies only to displacement hulls. The
>> > Rhodes-22 hull can plane when sailed flat. I can motor at 6.25 kts,
>> > and have sailed at 9 kts, for hours on end, when the wind is blowing,
>> > and I'm sailing as flat as I can.
>> >
>> > Most people on the list have sailed faster than 5.7 kts. When that
>> > happens, they are planing. You can plane faster flat than heeled in
>> > an R-22.
>> >
>> > Bill Effros
>> >
>> > Bob Weber wrote:
>> >> Dave, Flat bottom = 18 foot of waterline
>> >> Healed bottom = 19 foot of waterline
>> >> Who Cares?
>> >> The limitation of your maximum speed is based on waterline - Longer
>> >> boats can go faster
>> >> Hull speed = Square root of the wateriine * 1.3 (51/2 kn) flat or 5.7
>> >> heeled
>> >>
>> >> If you ever see sailors on the lee side of the boat using their
>> >> weight to heel the boat on light wind days that is the principle they
>> >> are going from.
>> >>
>> >> Bob Weber
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> From: "David Bradley"
>> >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>> >>> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:34:11 +0100
>> >>>
>> >>> Bill, it sure makes sense to me, just in terms of physics. Flat
>> >>> bottom =
>> >>> less friction. Buried side = more friction. Of course, I was a
>> >>> marketing
>> >>> major so what the hell do I know about physics?
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave B.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 4/18/06, Peter Thorn
>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nope. I agree with you Bill.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > PT
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > From: "Bill Effros"
>> >>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:48 AM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Jay believes me, but he may be the only one.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Bill Effros
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>> >>> > > > Bill,
>> >>> > > > Nobody on this lists believes you. A R22 does not sail fast
>> >>> flat. It
>> >>> > > > requires about thirty degrees of heel to get the wind in the
>> >>> sails and
>> >>> > really get
>> >>> > > > her moving. I'd like to see you sail flat in a 10 mph wind. It
>> >>> can be
>> >>> > done, but
>> >>> > > > only by the faint of heart.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Rummy
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