[Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks

Fri Dec 1 08:48:29 EST 2006

I'm considering a tiller extension but was looking for a fixed length to
save $$.  West Marine has 24, 36, and 42" ones.  Any suggestions? - rob

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/10001/-1/10001/72208/10001/366/338/2

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks

> My tiller extension is adjustable....not sure but I think it goes from 2
> feet to  around 4.
>
>
> >From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
> >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:17:19 -0600
> >
> >Or you could mount a long one on top of the tiller and a short one on the
> >under side.
> >
> >Slim
> >
> >On 11/30/06 10:35 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Wally,
> > >
> > > I assume an auto-tiller is not permitted when racing?  How long is the
> > > hiking stick you use?  Have you see the hiking sticks with the pop-out
> > > feature so you can switch a longer one for a shorter one on the fly?
> > >
> > > Bill Effros
> > >
> > > TN Rhodey wrote:
> > >> Rex,
> > >>
> > >> I know what you mean about the traveler. I had always wanted to
change
> > >> the cleating angle but never got around to it. I did replace the 2
> > >> lines on the traveler with a single line that is long enough to reach
> > >> just about anywhere in cockpit. It still requires me to lean back to
> > >> cleat after making adjustments but I can sit on the high (or low)
side
> > >> with traveler line on my lap. Easing traveler in the gusts works
> > >> better than easing main.
> > >>
> > >> A friend was day sailing with me one day and kept nagging me about
not
> > >> having a vang. While we were sailing I "made" a vang with a single
> > >> line lashed around base of mast to boom, using truckers hitch to
creat
> > >> purchase then cleating bitter end on mast. It was a big improvement.
> > >> Upwind I could flatten sail and off the wind I could adjust to keep
> > >> boom from rising up. After a while I converted the vang from my
> > >> Bantam. It is a little undersized but works fine. It quickly snaps
> > >> onto bale at mast bottom and fitting on boom. You can't use pop top
> > >> with traveler in place but if you are racing you will not have pop
top
> > >> up.
> > >>
> > >> As to your cake.....just try reouting sheets while underway. It is
not
> > >> that hard to do. Racing a R22 single handed keeps one quite busy. On
> > >> the upwind leg you can start out iside shrouds. One your last tack to
> > >> the mark reroute lazy sheet well in advance. I undo my figure eight
> > >> knot and pull (and coil) sheet back out of the block. One quick step
> > >> forward and I pass the coil outside and run back through block, tie
> > >> new figure eight and you are ready to go.  Trying to make changes
near
> > >> the mark is not good. After you jibe get things in control then
> > >> reroute the other sheet. After last jibe on down wind run do it all
> > >> over again. I can secure my tiller for hand free sailing (briefly)
and
> > >> sail this way quite often.
> > >>
> > >> I quit doing it but the first season I even flew my spinnaker in a
> > >> couple of races single handed. Talk about chaos! I would furl genny,
> > >> jump forward and hoist spinnaker as fast as I could. Go back to
> > >> cockpit and trim sails then cleat. Jump back forward and set pole. I
> > >> would only do this in very light winds. I didn't do well in these
> >races.
> > >>
> > >> Fair Winds,
> > >>
> > >> Wally
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> From: Charles Henthorn <rexh at sbcglobal.net>
> > >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> > >>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:00 -0800 (PST)
> > >>>
> > >>> Wally:
> > >>>        I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the
> > >>> shrouds.  The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a
> > >>> way to have my cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use
> > >>> genoa outside of outer shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and
be
> > >>> prepared without re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the outside
> > >>> shrouds when beating.
> > >>>        Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward
> > >>> rail when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward winch
> > >>> only as a block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to the
> > >>> windward winch, I can control and adjust the genoa shape much better
> > >>> and efficiently while continuing to keep the proper weight
> > >>> distribution on the windward side of the boat.  When
> > >>> single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched across the cockpit
> > >>> from winch to winch is not a problem.
> > >>>        Your vang suggestion intrigues me.  With the IMF and the
> > >>> poptop configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends
to
> > >>> the mast and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop.
> > >>> Someone mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that
> > >>> might make it easier to handle.  I use it and find it cumbersome (at
> > >>> least single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep the
> > >>> weight on the windward side, and reach across the stern to release
> > >>> the traveler immediately after the change of course --- or (2)  ease
> > >>> the mainsheet and loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of
> > >>> the traveler) before the tack so its free to adjust after the tack.
> > >>> I've thought of mounting a block on the end of the traveler bar so
> > >>> the line could wrap around the end but be held by a cleat of some
> > >>> type on the opposite end but the traveler track---but it doesn't
seem
> > >>> shaped nor configured to permit a practical implementation of that
> >idea.
> > >>> Rex
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>   Rex,
> > >>>
> > >>> I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib sheets
> > >>> is not
> > >>> a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and
walk
> > >>> forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that you
> > >>> really
> > >>> want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling
> > >>> anyway. In
> > >>> that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be worth
> > >>> rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can
sheet
> > >>> inside
> > >>> shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang.
Proper
> > >>> use of
> > >>> vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier conditions.
> >The
> > >>> biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also do
> > >>> you have
> > >>> a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting forward
> > >>> in the
> > >>> cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.
> > >>>
> > >>> Wally
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: Charles Henthorn
> > >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> > >>>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when
> >racing.
> > >>>> Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew if
> > >>> I were
> > >>>> to try re-rigging between course changes.
> > >>>> Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it
> > >>>> through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
> > >>>> Rex
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Slim wrote:
> > >>>> Rex,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been
> > >>> having
> > >>>> trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on
> > >>> something.
> > >>>> When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until
I've
> > >>>> crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I
let
> > >>>> loose.
> > >>>> That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution
is
> >to
> > >>>> simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about.
This
> > >>> can be
> > >>>> done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster than
> > >>> having
> > >>>> a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. Also
> > >>> with a
> > >>>> little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If
> > >>> you're on
> > >>>> a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then
> > >>> when you
> > >>>> come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your
pop
> > >>> top
> > >>>> down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the
> >sheets
> > >>>> from
> > >>>> inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hope this helps. Good luck.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Slim
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Anne:
> > >>>>> My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman
> > >>> Lake,
> > >>>> but
> > >>>>> I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season.
> > >>> I've
> > >>>> never
> > >>>>> raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at Eagle
> > >>>> Creek.
> > >>>>> Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and
> > >>> probably 3
> > >>>> hrs
> > >>>>> from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll
> > >>> give you
> > >>>> an
> > >>>>> email in advance.
> > >>>>> I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track inside
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake configuration
> > >>> and
> > >>>> our
> > >>>>> distance courses being layed out around several points and tree
> > >>> lines,
> > >>>> our
> > >>>>> winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change
> > >>> dramatically in
> > >>>>> intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa
> > >>> running
> > >>>>> rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option
away
> > >>>> when it
> > >>>>> might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
> > >>>>> 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the
> > >>> outside
> > >>>>> shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the sheets
so
> > >>>> you're
> > >>>>> not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding it
> > >>>> difficult in
> > >>>>> light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side
> > >>> on a
> > >>>> tack or
> > >>>>> gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port
or
> > >>>> chainplate
> > >>>>> connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next
> > >>> spring now
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>> winter
> > >>>>> upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a
> > >>> complete
> > >>>>> failure.
> > >>>>> Rex
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> anima13 wrote:
> > >>>>> Rex,
> > >>>>> What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
> > >>>>> I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this
list,
> > >>>> these
> > >>>>> folks.
> > >>>>> I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes.
> > >>> One year
> > >>>> we
> > >>>>> sailed
> > >>>>> every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
> > >>>>> Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake
> > >>> gathering
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>> Rhodes
> > >>>>> when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik
> > >>>> Sandberg
> > >>>>> would concur,
> > >>>>> I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just less
> > >>> than
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> whole 175%,
> > >>>>> like 160% or so.
> > >>>>> However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc.
> > >>> Hence,
> > >>>> PHRF!
> > >>>>> Wally races his R-22.
> > >>>>> I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for
> > >>> years.
> > >>>> Our
> > >>>>> philosophy is to
> > >>>>> point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in
> > >>> tight as
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>> drum and our
> > >>>>> helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex
> > >>> or the
> > >>>>> telltales. She is
> > >>>>> not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or
> > >>> "off" so
> > >>>> she
> > >>>>> does not have to look up
> > >>>>> to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the
> > >>>> downwind...if
> > >>>>> we have enough staff.
> > >>>>> We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the fall.
> > >>> Lots
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>> folks from Eagle Creek
> > >>>>> come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are
> > >>> some of
> > >>>> our
> > >>>>> favorite friends.
> > >>>>> Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting crew.
We
> > >>>> require
> > >>>>> a minimum of 6
> > >>>>> for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not
> > >>>> crowded!
> > >>>>> Too many jobs to do.
> > >>>>> Anne
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles
> > >>> Henthorn
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
> > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ann:
> > >>>>> Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
> > >>>>> Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my boat
> > >>>> yesterday.
> > >>>>> I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake
> > >>> than here.
> > >>>>> Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the
> > >>> runs
> > >>>>> but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the reaches.
> > >>> Do you
> > >>>>> race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than the
> > >>>> Santana's
> > >>>>> and Flying Scots I try to race against?
> > >>>>> Rex
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> anima13 wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
> > >>>>> Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
> > >>>>> Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
> > >>>>> Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
> > >>>>> party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
> > >>>>> That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov
1st.
> > >>>>> Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in the
> > >>>>> morning.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Anne
> > >>>>>
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