[Rhodes22-list] Bilge Water-reply # 3

[Tootle]

David:

    After reviewing Stan’s post and rereading your post, call Stan.  His
number is on the web site:  252-482-4372.  He used to post his home number
occasionally to the list for after hours calls.

    Are you within driving distance of Edenton?  He has a very good glass
man, Calvin.  He could fix it.  And he has a roof to work under.  But it
would still be a good idea to take a tarp to cover the boat with you.

     If it is a long trip, remember he has a room at the plant with a bed
for sleeping over.  Just leave the boat so it can dry out be fore they fix
it.  

      According to all books on the subject, it should be dried out. 
Captain Rummy has an excellent article about drying a core of a deck out. 
Consider that water usually goes down rather than up.  You may have water in
the bottom of the centerboard/keel area that needs to be drained out.  Holes
would have to be drilled on the bottom of the keel to get drainage.

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA




Tootle wrote:
> 
> David:
> 
> I do not recall this problem with a Rhodes 22.  However, similar problems
> have happened with other fiberglass boats.  There are several on this list
> who have made major glass repairs to their boats.  The good in all this
> bad is that fiberglass boats can be fixed to a new condition. 
> 
> You are right to start by drying out the boat.  The fact is that drying
> out a boat takes time.  Several months are the minimum.  Fans and heaters
> help.
> 
> You mentioned having it done in a yard.  Keep in mind that you can do this
> repair yourself.  Even if you are going to have them make the repair, do
> not hurry nor make a commitment to them.   Rather, discuss the problem and
> issues openly here for a while.  
> 
> Where are you located?  Do you have a trailer?  Is there anyway to put the
> boat indoors for a couple of months to dry out?  
> 
> This problem can be fixed safely.
> 
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David Culp wrote:
>> 
>> Report on water in the bilge:
>> 
>> Well, I'm afraid the news is not good...  I took the floor panels up and
>> exposed the centerboard cap and the pennant tube.  The tube and cap are
>> in good shape.  I vacuumed out the bilge again and I could see the water
>> flowing in.  It is coming up on the left side of the centerboard trunk
>> from
>> the bottom of the hull.  There isn't a hole, it is just coming in through
>> a
>> spot about the size of a penny in the fiberglass.  I suspect that the
>> hull
>> has delaminated where is meets the keel and is allowing water to come up
>> through it along the trunk into the bilge.  From what I could inspect
>> after
>> the boat was on the trailer, there is no external damage and no sign of
>> anything abnormal on the outside of the boat.
>> 
>> The boat shop can lift the boat with a sling so we can get under it and
>> find
>> where it has gone soft and coming through.  It will have to dry out, be
>> ground out and then re-glassed I guess.
>> 
>> Anybody ever heard of this happening before?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> David:
>> 
>>       Question about water level - is it at the level of water outside of
>> the hull?  Is there any relationship between the level it stops at and
>> outside water level?
>> 
>>       Since this job will require you on your knees, you might want a
>> pair
>> of those carpenters' knee pads.  Extra lights and a mirror might help.
>> 
>>        Stan can supply new seal - it uses a million screws.  Lowe's, Home
>> Depot or Ace hardware can supplly tubing.  Marine Tex can plug hole.  
>> Rummy
>> can recommend good sealant - you know that he is always on top of things.
>> 
>>        Good luck.
>> 
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Culp-2 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Ed and Rummy:
>>>
>>> No... no rain.  I took my Shop Vac and got all the water out and within
>>> a
>>> few minutes new water was flowing in.  You would think the boat is holed
>>> somewhere the way it flows in, but then it just stops rising and sits
>>> there.
>>> I will spend tomorrow taking the floors up and having a look at the cap
>>> seal, tube, etc. and I'll report back what I find.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:51:20 -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Water -reply to David and Mike
>>>
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <7611460.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> David:
>>>
>>>>From the tone of your post, I would explore the possibility of a leak
>>>
>>> around the centerboard seal sooner rather than later. This is going to
>>> be
>>>
>>> a project, but doable. You will not be able to see far enough back by
>>> just
>>> looking in the small hatch. So it looks like a lot of screw driver and
>>> ratchet work.
>>>
>>> But first, has there been any rain?
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>
>>> Addendum: Now Mike, calm down, maybe you should explore the archives so
>>> that
>>> you could refer people to past answers. If you would reply directly to
>>>
>>> the post, I would not have. In the meantime, have a rum and coke. BTW, I
>>>
>>> do not have canons. Nor have I been reading these broadsides:
>>> <http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/continental/>
>>> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/continental/
>>>
>>> David Culp wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi gang:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> What started as just a trace of water occassionally in the bilge after
>>>
>>>> being out for the day has become a trickle that you can see running in
>>>
>>>> and filling
>>>
>>>> the bilge in the last couple of weeks. My 1998 boat has not hit
>>>
>>>> anything,
>>>
>>>> has not run aground going forward or backward and I have inspected all
>>>
>>>> areas
>>>
>>>> that I can see without unscrewing things with no traces of leakage. It
>>>> is
>>>
>>>> coming in quickly now even just sitting in the slip and seems to be
>>>> coming
>>>
>>>> from the centerboard trunk area (guessing) but I haven't taken the
>>>> floor
>>>
>>>> up
>>>
>>>> yet to look. I reached back in as far as I could through the access
>>>
>>>> panels and I don't feel anything leaking or any damage. The only thing
>>>
>>>> unusual is that the leak seems to be worse with the board up versus
>>>> being
>>>
>>>> all the way down. I normally secure the board up when in the slip so
>>>
>>>> it doesn't bang around.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Just wondered if anyone ever had this happen and/or if are there are
>>>
>>>> any known issues about the centerboard pivot pin, leaking gaskets or
>>>
>>>> cap that I need to pay particuliar attention to? I suppose I should
>>>
>>>> at least expose the cap while still in the water (not take it off)
>>>
>>>> just in case I could see
>>>
>>>> something-any ideas or suggestions appreciated.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>> David
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