[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design

[William P. Barry, III]

All Three can be compared at: http://www.rhodes22.org/wpb/biminiroom/

Will Barry
wp.barry at att.net



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design


> Thanks, Will,
>
> The more you can tell us, the better.
>
> Will's link shows Roger's Bimini Room, and Bulldog's Boom Room.
>
> I have attached Slim's Boom Room.
>
> The differences are pretty obvious.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> William P. Barry, III wrote:
>
>> Interested in Bimini Room Ideas: See current photos:
>>
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/wpb/biminiroom/
>>
>> Will Barry
>> wp.barry at att.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>
>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Do you know anything about in-field installation of snaps?  Do you
>>> envision "do-it-yourself" or professional installation?
>>>
>>> If only the boom supports the fabric you wind up with what some call
>>> a "boom-tent"--sort of a high pup tent over your cockpit.  If the
>>> boom is used like a ridge pole, then you need some sort of  "rafters"
>>> to make the "walls" of the room vertical.  This can be done by
>>> providing a frame, which is, I believe, the approach used in Slim's
>>> boat, or by draping rafters over the boom and securing
>>> them...somehow.  Some people seem to use line secured to stays to
>>> keep the roof angle from going down too sharply and depriving the
>>> room of a "roomy" feeling.
>>>
>>> Assembling and disassembling this structure takes time, and the poles
>>> take up space.  Stan would like the whole room to fit into a
>>> Rubbermaid Container.
>>>
>>> If there are poles holding up the sides of the room, what do the
>>> poles go into?
>>>
>>> Panels will take longer to assemble than a one piece job, and the
>>> resulting structure won't be as strong or tight.
>>>
>>> Slim, Will, Russell -- most of us have never seen a boom room except
>>> for your pictures and Stan's.  We are like the blind men and the
>>> elephant.  We know you like what you got, and we want something like
>>> that, too.  Your experience is most valued.  Please jump in.
>>>
>>> Stan will jump in when he gets ready.  He knows what has been right,
>>> and wrong with all of his previous attempts.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>> Bob Keller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>> My comments are in CAPS.
>>>> Bob K
>>>>
>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:05:08 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to summarize the cumulative wisdom on Boom Rooms, (and I
>>>>> know I can count on you to correct me if I got something wrong):
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  We anticipate an add-on to the existing Pop Top Enclosure.  GREAT!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  It won't be a "Bimini Room". GREAT
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.  Fabric material, screens, windows will be similar to PTE. YES
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are things we need to discuss:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.  The PTE-BR junction will be held together with Velcro (?) THAT
>>>>> MAKES SENSE
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.  What holds it up? THE BOOM IS THE MOST LOGICAL SUPPORT
>>>>>
>>>>> 6.  What holds what holds it up?  (Will this work on all boats?)
>>>>> THE BOOM AGAIN!
>>>>>
>>>>> 7.  Panels or One Piece.  The BR might have more uses if it went
>>>>> up  PANELS SOUND BEST
>>>>> in panels.  One panel could be used as a sun shade if it could be
>>>>> mounted below the boom, and remained independent of the boom so it
>>>>> could be used instead of a Bimini while sailing.  Panels could be
>>>>> added over time to reduce the initial cost.  But the resulting
>>>>> structure wouldn't be as solid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 8.  And how about:
>>>>>
>>>>> On-site installation techniques -- Snaps must be added to boats? YES
>>>>>
>>>>> Multiple Use Considerations --
>>>>>
>>>>> Are removable battens in the fabric viable for structural support?
>>>>> SUPPORT PERPENDICULAR TO THE BOOM MUST BE STRONG BUT ARE CRITICAL
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the stays be used for support? MAYBE
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the topping lift be used for support? YES
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the structure be tied down instead of snapped into position?  I
>>>>> WOULD PREFER SNAPS FOR SECURITY, SIMPLICITY AND A BETTER FIT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears there are 4-5 somewhat solid orders for Boom Rooms.
>>>>> This is enough to make patterns, and commission work.  Stan is
>>>>> welcome to take whatever he wants from this deal, we just would
>>>>> like to get the best Boom Rooms that have ever been made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave will be going down to Edenton to make final decisions for his
>>>>> own boat, and to find out from Stan where he wants to be in the
>>>>> Boom Room Syndicate.  Any thoughts on this matter from anyone are
>>>>> welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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