[Rhodes22-list] BR New Design

[Bill Effros]

Slim,

It appears that your PTE cannot be installed at the same time as your 
BR.  As I understand the new design, it will be possible to install the 
BR over the PTE, and still pass the "Drunk Chick Dark Test" (DCDT).  The 
new design will be something between your BR and the one featured on the 
R-22 site, which I have attached.  The PTE is mounted under the boom, 
the BR will be mounted over the boom.

I still see many times when I would prefer the speed and simplicity of 
the PTE, set at the last minute, to the more complex BR; and other times 
when I would want to set the BR, or Sun Shade, without the PTE, and 
still other times when I might want the PTE and BR at the same time 
(When one person is awake and another is asleep.)

When I set up my PTE early, I generally don't attach all the front 
snaps, or zip it up.  This allows me to continue using my hatches for 
ventilation until I go to sleep.  Some variation of this should be 
possible for the BR to allow re-entry to the cabin from the bow.

I have seen turnbuckles that open like a jackknife to release the 
tension without resetting the turnbuckle.  Sort of a quick release 
mechanism that  might be useful for this purpose.  Since turnbuckles 
just screw on and off the rigging, this might answer some of your 
concerns about set-up--they could easily be added to any rigging.

In any case, I would continue to carry both my PTE and my new design BR, 
and I would deploy both at different times.  If I didn't have either 
one, I don't know which I would buy first, but I think both should be 
designed so that neither requires the purchase of the other.  As we gain 
experience with them, we will better understand which device is used 
more often.

Um...about Roger's design...have you looked at it lately?  I have 
attached it, too.  When Stan said said "ugly is OK" I don't think he was 
picturing this in his mind.   Also, note the distance between the boom 
and the room.  This is a short person's boom room.  It seems to have bow 
entry problems of its own.  I don't think we have much to take from this 
design beyond the fact that the enclosure is useful and this design is 
not the way to go.

I'd love to see Art's design.  It sounds like a foundation for the 
direction we are heading.  I am trying to understand it better, and will 
take all the help I can get.

Integrating the PTE dodger design with your awning design looks like a 
natural, but apparently doesn't work.  The MacGregor version has only a 
fraction of the utility and coverage at 5 times Stan's projected cost.  
(Picture also attached.)

I agree that we still have assembly problems to address, but my 
inclination is to go in the direction recommended by Stan.  If I could 
buy a boom room like yours for $1000, I would do so in a heartbeat. 

Bill Effros

 





Slim wrote:

>OK, look, there's one thing that all agree upon--the pop top enclosure is
>too good to be true.  I could go on and on about how easy it is to set up
>and take down; doesn't require any frame; you can motor and/or sail with it
>up; provides standing head room under cover; has roll-up storm flaps/screen
>windows; easily stowable; is the first defense against the weather; already
>beautifully engineered and available for about a grand.  What could be
>better?
>
>Then comes the cockpit extension.  The cockpit room extension of the PTE.
>In my opinion, everyone who is interested in expanding the use of their boat
>should have the PTE first.  Period.  Then why should the boom room make the
>already-perfect PTE obsolete?  Why not integrate?
>
>My guess would be that Stan wants to offer an either/or type of option so
>you could either spend a grand on the PTE or spend a grand on the Boom
>Room--your choice--but you won't have to spend two grand to enclose the
>cockpit.  You could spend one grand for a stand-alone BR like mine.  But
>since nobody DOESN'T want the PTE, or already has one, why not go from
>there?  Sort of a step one and step two enclosure system.
>
>The two inherent problems with my boom room are the issue with the shrouds
>and access to the bow.  Stan seems to be sticking to that design.   Art's
>design lacks those flaws.  So does Roger's.  Let's put the best feature of
>each of them together and get rid of the problems.
>
>It wouldn't take more than a couple zippers and some velcro to integrate a
>boom tent to the PTE and make it splendid.  OK, so you have to spend two
>grand for the whole thing.  Anybody complaining?  In theory, I wouldn't
>hesitate to sell my stand-alone BR for what I've got in it ($500) and turn
>around and spend a G on something else that's new and perfect.  Something
>that can be set up by two drunk chicks in the dark!
>
>Slim
>
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