[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Update Feb 3

[TN Rhodey]

Defender has some examples of some nice awnings that could be used as model 
for boom room. The web site doesn not have as many selections as the 
catalog.

Wally


>From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Update Feb 3
>Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:58:22 -0500
>
>This is my first attempt back in the office in three weeks and I don't feel 
>I am running on all cylinders and certainly not seeing (the screen) that 
>clearly so, for what it may be partially worth from this partial source:
>
>1.    My skills have not allowed opening pictures of Art's frame but from 
>the audio it sounds like I would like to see it.
>
>2.     My 5 port to starboard yokes thinking was just one of a few tries 
>and if it were to be incorporated in the roof frame, 3/4" pine would be 
>easy to fabricate, store (since it folds in half) and inexpensive.  The 
>outer ends were to have a concave semi circle shape for the bow to stern 
>aluminum tubular end side frame members to snap into.
>
>3.    I was probably misleading talking sail cloth. I meant a Dacron type 
>fabric for light weight, easy folding  and low cost  It could be a 
>composite - a vinyl coated Dacron
>
>
>4.    I don't want any rights to this option.  If it ever turned out to be 
>that good I would just steal the design
>On the other hand, if you want to use the proprietary name "Boom Room", (as 
>against the original name, the Boom, Boom Room), that will cost you.
>
>5.    All you contributors are doing such a good job, everyone should get 
>their copy at cost - except maybe the funding consortium, who should get 
>theirs free - if they can find someone to fund that suggestion.. .
>
>sorry I can't be much help - when I get through all the spam next month I 
>then have a year's worth of new inquiries to explain why they can't have a 
>Rhodes.
>
>stan/gbi
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:34 PM
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Update Feb 3
>
>
>Boom Room Project Update
>February 3, 2003
>
>I'll try to summarize where I think we are:
>
>1.  Intellectual Property.  It's my proposal that we all assume we are
>working pro bono on a project for General Boats, and that whatever we
>create will turn into a GBI product for the Super Option List.  Stan
>will own all the IP.  He will price the product.  If he chooses to
>offer a discount to the boom room project participants, great.  If any
>of us chooses to lay out money to get a prototype built, we can work
>that out with the boss.
>
>2.  Basic Boom Room Design.  It sounds like we are converging on the
>key parameters as outlined, which are most simliar to Slim's boom room
>as designed by Stan.  Specifically, the boom room is not integrated
>with the Pop Top Enclosure; a roof panel is supported by the boom with
>the assistance of a rigid frame; side panels snap to gunwale inside
>rails and stays; front panel is forward of mast, aft of cabin hatches;
>interchangeable side panels allow flexible set up, with choices of
>solid, clear or screen panels.
>
>3.  One work stream is to lock onto best fabric(s).  Stan felt sail
>cloth would work, but is open to others.  He felt Sunbrella was
>heavier and more expensive than needed.  Rip-stop nylon has been
>suggested as well.  It seems that a next step would be to begin to
>collect prices on different materials.  Any thoughts on how to go
>about that?
>
>4.  Next work stream is the frame.  This is where Stan was never happy
>with his earlier efforts.  We have carbon fiber, aluminum, SS, and PVC
>as suggested options.  One aspect of this I haven't seen in the
>comments is the impact on visual design/aesthetics.  A metal frame can
>be fabricated with the necessary bends to create a rigid, sturdy but
>elegant design.  My gut feeling is that, with the highly evolved
>design solutions in the R-22, we should create a boom room frame that
>will enhance the lines of the boat -- even if it is just for camping
>at night.  Also, Stan's "yoke" idea (were the JPEGs of that attached
>in my post yesterday?) seems brilliant in a Spitzerian way.  The
>downward pressure from the side panels under tension will clamp the
>yoke to the boom and secure the roof.  We'll only get that kind of
>elegant solution with metal, I think.  Or with metal fittings and
>carbon/plastic rods.  If all metal, whether aluminum or SS is probably
>an economic decision.  I think I'd try for SS to avoid pitting even if
>more money and to have stronger fittings vs. aluminum corners.  For
>next steps here, I'd suggest we keep this debate going for a bit and
>then begin to explore vendors.  Does anyone have an idea for a metal
>bender that could work on a prototype?  Comments on the benefits of
>metal vs. plastic vs. carbon?
>
>5.  It seems that we need to get the frame worked out before we go to
>detailed specs and measurements on the fabric.  Though fabric
>selection/weights might influence frame selection, we're probably OK
>to assume lightest weight fabrics possible.
>
>Comments?  Please let me know if I've not captured all the comments 
>accurately.
>
>Dave Bradley
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