[Rhodes22-list] racing rhodes

[TN Rhodey]

Peter,

I agree the 278 PHRF is generous. I always raced solo and still competed 
well at 270. With crew I am sure I could have given the first and second 
place boats a run for the money! There is a guy that can sail the heck out 
of his Seafarer 23. I have a chance in light winds but anything over 10 I 
see his stern. By the way Philip's boy Bodie Rhodes was co-designer of the 
Seafarer 23, no shame in losing to a Rhodes boat.

>From what I remember Roger's PHRF with mast crane, battened main with extra 
roach, 150 genny(not 155) was 243. He did quite well at this rating.


Fair winds,

Wally

>From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing rhodes
>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:07:49 -0400
>
>GlacierStan and Rhodies,
>
>The GBI Hilton is really great.  One can sleep near the largest collection
>of R22s on the planet and meet interesting sailors like Bob Evans and John
>Huntley commissioning a Seaward RK.  I learned lots about road rigging just
>observing elusive Elton's latest travel rigged delivery.  Sorry I missed
>Elton.  Does he usually depart in the middle of the night?  Thanks again
>Stan and Rose!
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>Stan it seems you are describing a mast crane like Roger built for Dynamic
>Equilibrium or the Seaward RK has.  Rigging a bunch of Rhodes Continentals
>similar to DE with a PHRF-smart 155, powerful FBM, conventional spinnaker
>and racing them PHRF would likely quickly lower the PHRF rating.  I agree
>go-fasts like those would attract gadget-fixated racers. Boats like
>Sorenson's are different and faster and may provide renewed interest in
>standard masts.
>
>Raven was purchased to cruise with Tana.   Both are inclined for comfort 
>and
>disinclined for racing.  I haven't had the time to race Raven yet, but so
>far have established the IMF R22 with NC-PHRF to be generously rated 276.
>This assumes a headsail not larger than 155 and non-spinnaker.  NC-PHRF in
>New Bern understands that RCs should carry a lower rating around 258.  Bob
>Dilk raced his RC at McCotters in Washington, NC and performance supported
>that rating there. At least in NC, there is now a distinction between the
>older faster RCs and the newer IMF R22s.
>
>If Sorrenson is racing in a one-design fleet, then perhaps no data is being
>submitted to NC-PHRF.  However I believe both the NC-PHRF ratings for RC 
>and
>R22 to be very generous.  I think any competent sailor campaigning a Rhodes
>in NC-PHRF would soon see ratings lowered.
>
>That's the thing with PHRF.  It's a politically correct racing system --
>given time and effort anyone can win.  PHRF assumes all sailors to be very
>good and all boats to be in top racing shape.  In the real world we all 
>know
>there is wide variance in these factors.  If you win a lot, you get 
>adjusted
>down so others can have a better shot at you.   PHRF provides a system
>whereby different classes of boats can complete with each other.
>
>IMHO One-Design is better.  The boats are regulated by a system of rules to
>all be equal, so it is a competition between skippers.  Any class of boat,
>fast or slow, can be raced One-Design.  You just need a class association 
>to
>set out some basic rules and to regulate the members to make sure no one is
>breaking the rules.
>
>For example, the Catalina 22 Class Association is an association of C22
>owners distinct and separate from Frank Butler's Catalina Yacht's group.
>The Catalina 22 Class, not Frank Butler, publishes the C22 class rules and
>inspects the boats.  The class promotes group racing and cruising events.
>
>It's my experience (with the Tanzer 16 Class) that the people involved make
>it interesting.  Our T16 racing group is also very much a social group.
>Last weekend my crew at the Edenton Bay Challenge was the 15 yo daughter of
>another Tanzer skipper, who was sailing with his son.  (Lilly was a great
>crew.  She hikes endlessly, thanks to Tae Kwon Doe conditioning of her
>stomach muscles!)  There was also a mother/daughter team, and a grown-up
>father/son team.  It's great for families.
>
>The Rhodes 22 is a far better boat than the Catalina 22.  However, the
>Rhodes doesn't have a one-design class, like the C22.  If  we owners were 
>to
>establish a Rhodes 22 class association it would probably help maintain the
>perceived value of the boat and help Stan.  Racing would be fun too.  We
>could have the first Nationals at Edenton and make the Spitzers guests of
>honor.
>
>PT
>
>R22 Raven
>RC Phoenix


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