[Rhodes22-list] Reduce your federal income tax (political humor)

[Bill Effros]

Dave,

People were excluded as refugees during WWII and they are excluded today.

These people did not have Social Security cards or birth certificates.  
Many people born at home don't have birth certificates.  To get a Social 
Security Card you need a birth certificate.  Catch-22.  The other 
documents may get you into a bar, but they won't get you a job.

There are substantial payments from the foreign user base.

Bill Effros



DCLewis1 at aol.com wrote:
> Bill,
>  
> With respect to your earlier post (below),  requiring your parent(s)  be US 
> citizens if you are going to be a US citizen makes sense to me.  Your  example 
> from WWII would not be a problem today, your mother, aunts,  grandfathers, 
> whoever, would be admitted as refugees, you'd be fine.
>  
> Regarding your company declining workers you were sure were citizens:  that's 
> a real puzzle to me.  The people you are sure were citizens didn't  have a 
> Soc Sec card, drivers lisc, DMV identity badge, or birth  certificate?  Strange. 
>  Surely they had something to remind them who  they were.  In my experience, 
> young people in particular always carry some  proof of age and identity so 
> they can be admitted to bars.
>  
> Finally regarding citizens freeloading on the social services system as  
> opposed to non-citizens.  Ideally, social service systems are sized  and funded to 
> support a demand that's proportional to the size of the citizenry  that 
> supports it and which it has to support.  Free loading isn't  encouraged, but it 
> happens.  If you open up the demand for social services  by increasing the user 
> base to non-citizens, and there are no additional  payments from the new 
> prospective user base, the social services  system either becomes non-affordable to 
> the people that are paying for  it, or the benefits have to decrease.  This 
> is the core of the  frustration of state and local governments that are 
> substantially impacted by  illegal immigration - demand for social services has 
> increased and there are no  new resources.
>  
> And to think, this whole thread started as political humor.
>  
> Dave
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