[Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sat May 20 10:33:43 EDT 2006
bullshit.
Bill Effros
brad haslett wrote:
> Wally,
>
> OK, here's a quick shot to clarify things before the
> boys put my arse on a machine. If you read through
> the report, Saddam's generals thought they had WMD.
> They had WMDs at one time, they used WMDs. They wanted
> more. We still don't know where they went. Saddam
> sponsored terrorism all over the Middle East. Clinton
> thought he should be taken out. So did Gore, so did
> Kerry. It is easy to second guess the decision to go
> to war after the fact, but post 9/11, given the
> intelligence we had, it was a tough call (unless
> you're a pacifist or an isolationist). We went, we're
> there. These calls for an early withdrawal are
> nonsense. Do you know why the loss of our kids to
> IEDs has gone up? The insurgents are getting C4 from
> Iran that is seven times more powerful. The argument
> that we wouldn't have these problems had we not gone
> there doesn't fly with me. Why fight the war in
> Europe when it was Japan that attacked us? This is a
> war like no other, the front is hard to define and
> constantly shifting. IF Iraq can become a stable
> nation, it will shift the whole Middle East. We've
> had enough "meet and greets" in the Rose Garden. The
> world is too small and the Middle East too important
> to ignore. Whether Iraq was the best move won't be
> determined for a long time. NEWS FLASH! Bush will be
> gone soon. Hillary, or whoever, will face the same
> problems. The folks who want to take us back to the
> seventh century don't give a shit who's next. The
> problem remains the same. As to the folks who are in
> Iraq now, they deserve our support. The re-inlistment
> rate and requests for redeployment to Iraq is
> incredible. They believe in what they are doing. You
> have to read the soldiers blogs to get that story
> though, it won't sell soap for the MSM.
>
> Brad
>
> --- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Brad,
>>
>> I am not sure I follow what you are saying. Perhaps
>> someone else posted on
>> military families.
>>
>> Many of us do try to remove emotion and look at the
>> facts. It reallky isn't
>> THAT hard. One first has to have an open mind. Again
>> your link did not
>> reveal anything that would change my mind. It seemed
>> to support what i said.
>> We rushed into this on bad information. I have said
>> this from day one. Am I
>> missing something?
>>
>> Your ask for forgiveness rather than permission
>> concept is a pretty low
>> standard. I think we should aim a little higher.
>>
>> Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank
>>>
>> and Tootle)
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>> Wally,
>>>
>>> My attitude is "better to ask forgiveness than
>>> permission" when it comes to national security. No
>>>
>> one
>>
>>> is going to give up their political position based
>>> only the facts; mostly it is emotion. I just spent
>>> the evening celebrating my oldest son's 24th
>>>
>> birthday
>>
>>> on the MS Gulf coast. I'm not going to second
>>>
>> guess
>>
>>> anyone's influence on their child not to go to THE
>>> GULF. My graditude goes to those kids who did, and
>>> especially to those parents whose kids didn't come
>>> back.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> --- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brad,
>>>>
>>>> I skimmed through reading things here and there
>>>>
>> but
>>
>>>> didn't come across
>>>> anything that changes my mind. In fact I read
>>>> several things that confirmed
>>>> my way of thinking. Most interesting is the
>>>>
>> coverage
>>
>>>> of WMD. Looked to me
>>>> like they cited many sources showing that there
>>>> weren't any WMD left and we
>>>> bought into the boasts of Saddam.
>>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to
>>>>>
>> Hank
>>
>>>> and Tootle)
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is some "light" reading for you (230
>>>>>
>> pages).
>>
>>>>> I've read some excerpts and analysis but
>>>>>
>> haven't
>>
>>>>> digested the whole document. Hope to get that
>>>>>
>> done
>>
>>>>> this week if I can get away from the 'Tower of
>>>>>
>>>> Babel'.
>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/iraq/ipp.pdf
>>>
>>>>> --- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I also saw (on TV) Colin Powell give a
>>>>>>
>>>> powerpoint
>>>>
>>>>>> presentaion to the UN
>>>>>> showing location of WMD. If it makes you
>>>>>>
>> feel
>>
>>>> any
>>>>
>>>>>> better I blame congress
>>>>>> almost as much as Bush. Fiew had the
>>>>>>
>> strength to
>>
>>>>>> vote against the
>>>>>> resolution. Face it. we acted on
>>>>>>
>> mis-information
>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>> made some bad
>>>>>> decisions. I don't understand why this is so
>>>>>>
>>>> hard
>>>>
>>>>>> for people to see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really like my local Congressman Jim
>>>>>>
>> Duncan.
>>
>>>> He is
>>>>
>>>>>> one of the few who
>>>>>> voted against the resolution and he is a
>>>>>>
>>>> republican.
>>>>
>>>>>> There was no reason to
>>>>>> attack Iraq when we did. The borders were
>>>>>>
>> locked
>>
>>>>>> down about as well as you
>>>>>> can lock down a border. Heck we can't even
>>>>>>
>>>> control
>>>>
>>>>>> our border. We also
>>>>>> controlled the airways. We had not yet
>>>>>>
>> finished
>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>>> Afghanastan. We should
>>>>>> have confirmed all of our information first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I should remove logic from my thought
>>>>>>
>>>> process
>>>>
>>>>>> and just follow party
>>>>>> line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons"
>>>>>>>
>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response
>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> Hank
>>>>
>>>>>> and Tootle)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:25:53 -0500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reasons "Bush and his cronies" (I
>>>>>>>
>> assume,
>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>> by 'Bush and his
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cronies', you are referring to the US
>>>>>>>
>> Congress,
>>
>>>>>> since they are the body
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that authorized and voted for the
>>>>>>>
>> resolution)
>>
>>>> are
>>>>
>>>>>> clearly laid out in the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> resolution authorizing the action. You HAVE
>>>>>>>
>>>> read
>>>>
>>>>>> it, haven't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> saroj at pathfind.net 5/14/2006 12:29:40
>>>>>>>>>>
>> pm
>>
>>>>>>> To Hank:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly what do you believe WAS the reason
>>>>>>>
>> Bush
>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>> his cronies decided to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> go to war in Iraq?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The stated reason was that Iraq harbored Al
>>>>>>>
>>>> Qaeda
>>>>
>>>>>> terrorists and Sadaam was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a recalcitrant tyrant and had WMD which he
>>>>>>>
>>>> planned
>>>>
>>>>>> to use against us. That
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he was a tyrant there is no doubt. Is it
>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> job
>>>>
>>>>>> of the U.S.A. to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> eliminate
>>>>>>> all tyrants from this world? There are
>>>>>>>
>> plenty
>>
>>
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