[Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
TN Rhodey
tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Thu Nov 30 17:36:41 EST 2006
My tiller extension pops on and off. it also is telescopic so it can adjust
in length.
>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:35:53 -0500
>
>Wally,
>
>I assume an auto-tiller is not permitted when racing? How long is the
>hiking stick you use? Have you see the hiking sticks with the pop-out
>feature so you can switch a longer one for a shorter one on the fly?
>
>Bill Effros
>
>TN Rhodey wrote:
>>Rex,
>>
>>I know what you mean about the traveler. I had always wanted to change the
>>cleating angle but never got around to it. I did replace the 2 lines on
>>the traveler with a single line that is long enough to reach just about
>>anywhere in cockpit. It still requires me to lean back to cleat after
>>making adjustments but I can sit on the high (or low) side with traveler
>>line on my lap. Easing traveler in the gusts works better than easing
>>main.
>>
>>A friend was day sailing with me one day and kept nagging me about not
>>having a vang. While we were sailing I "made" a vang with a single line
>>lashed around base of mast to boom, using truckers hitch to creat purchase
>>then cleating bitter end on mast. It was a big improvement. Upwind I could
>>flatten sail and off the wind I could adjust to keep boom from rising up.
>>After a while I converted the vang from my Bantam. It is a little
>>undersized but works fine. It quickly snaps onto bale at mast bottom and
>>fitting on boom. You can't use pop top with traveler in place but if you
>>are racing you will not have pop top up.
>>
>>As to your cake.....just try reouting sheets while underway. It is not
>>that hard to do. Racing a R22 single handed keeps one quite busy. On the
>>upwind leg you can start out iside shrouds. One your last tack to the mark
>>reroute lazy sheet well in advance. I undo my figure eight knot and pull
>>(and coil) sheet back out of the block. One quick step forward and I pass
>>the coil outside and run back through block, tie new figure eight and you
>>are ready to go. Trying to make changes near the mark is not good. After
>>you jibe get things in control then reroute the other sheet. After last
>>jibe on down wind run do it all over again. I can secure my tiller for
>>hand free sailing (briefly) and sail this way quite often.
>>
>>I quit doing it but the first season I even flew my spinnaker in a couple
>>of races single handed. Talk about chaos! I would furl genny, jump forward
>>and hoist spinnaker as fast as I could. Go back to cockpit and trim sails
>>then cleat. Jump back forward and set pole. I would only do this in very
>>light winds. I didn't do well in these races.
>>
>>Fair Winds,
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>>From: Charles Henthorn <rexh at sbcglobal.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:00 -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>>Wally:
>>> I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the shrouds.
>>>The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a way to have my
>>>cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use genoa outside of outer
>>>shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and be prepared without
>>>re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the outside shrouds when beating.
>>> Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward rail
>>>when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward winch only as a
>>>block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to the windward winch,
>>>I can control and adjust the genoa shape much better and efficiently
>>>while continuing to keep the proper weight distribution on the windward
>>>side of the boat. When single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched
>>>across the cockpit from winch to winch is not a problem.
>>> Your vang suggestion intrigues me. With the IMF and the poptop
>>>configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends to the mast
>>>and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop. Someone
>>>mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that might make it
>>>easier to handle. I use it and find it cumbersome (at least
>>>single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep the weight on
>>>the windward side, and reach across the stern to release the traveler
>>>immediately after the change of course --- or (2) ease the mainsheet and
>>>loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of the traveler) before the
>>>tack so its free to adjust after the tack. I've thought of mounting a
>>>block on the end of the traveler bar so the line could wrap around the
>>>end but be held by a cleat of some type on the opposite end but the
>>>traveler track---but it doesn't seem shaped nor configured to permit a
>>>practical implementation of that idea.
>>>Rex
>>>
>>>
>>>TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Rex,
>>>
>>>I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib sheets is
>>>not
>>>a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and walk
>>>forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that you
>>>really
>>>want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling anyway.
>>>In
>>>that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be worth
>>>rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can sheet
>>>inside
>>>shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang. Proper use
>>>of
>>>vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier conditions. The
>>>biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also do you
>>>have
>>>a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting forward in
>>>the
>>>cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.
>>>
>>>Wally
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: Charles Henthorn
>>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>> >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
>>> >
>>> >Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when racing.
>>> >Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew if I
>>>were
>>> >to try re-rigging between course changes.
>>> > Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it
>>> >through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
>>> > Rex
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Slim wrote:
>>> > Rex,
>>> >
>>> >I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been
>>>having
>>> >trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on
>>>something.
>>> >When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until I've
>>> >crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I let
>>> >loose.
>>> >That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution is to
>>> >simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about. This
>>>can be
>>> >done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster than
>>>having
>>> >a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. Also
>>>with a
>>> >little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If you're
>>>on
>>> >a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then when
>>>you
>>> >come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your pop
>>>top
>>> >down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the sheets
>>> >from
>>> >inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
>>> >
>>> >Hope this helps. Good luck.
>>> >
>>> >Slim
>>> >
>>> >On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Anne:
>>> > > My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman
>>>Lake,
>>> >but
>>> > > I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season.
>>>I've
>>> >never
>>> > > raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at Eagle
>>> >Creek.
>>> > > Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and probably
>>>3
>>> >hrs
>>> > > from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll give
>>>you
>>> >an
>>> > > email in advance.
>>> > > I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track inside
>>>the
>>> > > outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake configuration
>>>and
>>> >our
>>> > > distance courses being layed out around several points and tree
>>>lines,
>>> >our
>>> > > winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change dramatically
>>>in
>>> > > intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa
>>>running
>>> > > rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option away
>>> >when it
>>> > > might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
>>> > > 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the
>>>outside
>>> > > shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the sheets so
>>> >you're
>>> > > not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding it
>>> >difficult in
>>> > > light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side on
>>>a
>>> >tack or
>>> > > gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port or
>>> >chainplate
>>> > > connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next spring
>>>now
>>> >with
>>> > > winter
>>> > > upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a
>>>complete
>>> > > failure.
>>> > > Rex
>>> > >
>>> > > anima13 wrote:
>>> > > Rex,
>>> > > What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
>>> > > I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this list,
>>> >these
>>> > > folks.
>>> > > I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes. One
>>>year
>>> >we
>>> > > sailed
>>> > > every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
>>> > > Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake
>>>gathering
>>> >for
>>> > > Rhodes
>>> > > when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik
>>> >Sandberg
>>> > > would concur,
>>> > > I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just less
>>>than
>>> >the
>>> > > whole 175%,
>>> > > like 160% or so.
>>> > > However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc.
>>>Hence,
>>> >PHRF!
>>> > > Wally races his R-22.
>>> > > I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for
>>>years.
>>> >Our
>>> > > philosophy is to
>>> > > point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in
>>>tight as
>>> >a
>>> > > drum and our
>>> > > helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex or
>>>the
>>> > > telltales. She is
>>> > > not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or "off"
>>>so
>>> >she
>>> > > does not have to look up
>>> > > to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the
>>> >downwind...if
>>> > > we have enough staff.
>>> > > We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the fall.
>>>Lots
>>> >of
>>> > > folks from Eagle Creek
>>> > > come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are some
>>>of
>>> >our
>>> > > favorite friends.
>>> > > Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting crew. We
>>> >require
>>> > > a minimum of 6
>>> > > for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not
>>> >crowded!
>>> > > Too many jobs to do.
>>> > > Anne
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles
>>>Henthorn
>>> > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
>>> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Ann:
>>> > > Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
>>> > > Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my boat
>>> >yesterday.
>>> > > I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake than
>>>here.
>>> > > Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the
>>>runs
>>> > > but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the reaches. Do
>>>you
>>> > > race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than the
>>> >Santana's
>>> > > and Flying Scots I try to race against?
>>> > > Rex
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > anima13 wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
>>> > > Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
>>> > > Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
>>> > > Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
>>> > > party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
>>> > > That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov 1st.
>>> > > Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in the
>>> > > morning.
>>> > >
>>> > > Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
>>> > >
>>> > > Anne
>>> > >
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