[Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks

Thu Nov 30 15:08:34 EST 2006

Mine too----just rotate the handle to unlock it and rotate again to lock it in position.

TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
  My tiller extension is adjustable....not sure but I think it goes from 2 
feet to around 4.

>From: Slim 
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
>To: Rhodes22-list 
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:17:19 -0600
>
>Or you could mount a long one on top of the tiller and a short one on the
>under side.
>
>Slim
>
>On 11/30/06 10:35 AM, "Bill Effros" wrote:
>
> > Wally,
> >
> > I assume an auto-tiller is not permitted when racing? How long is the
> > hiking stick you use? Have you see the hiking sticks with the pop-out
> > feature so you can switch a longer one for a shorter one on the fly?
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > TN Rhodey wrote:
> >> Rex,
> >>
> >> I know what you mean about the traveler. I had always wanted to change
> >> the cleating angle but never got around to it. I did replace the 2
> >> lines on the traveler with a single line that is long enough to reach
> >> just about anywhere in cockpit. It still requires me to lean back to
> >> cleat after making adjustments but I can sit on the high (or low) side
> >> with traveler line on my lap. Easing traveler in the gusts works
> >> better than easing main.
> >>
> >> A friend was day sailing with me one day and kept nagging me about not
> >> having a vang. While we were sailing I "made" a vang with a single
> >> line lashed around base of mast to boom, using truckers hitch to creat
> >> purchase then cleating bitter end on mast. It was a big improvement.
> >> Upwind I could flatten sail and off the wind I could adjust to keep
> >> boom from rising up. After a while I converted the vang from my
> >> Bantam. It is a little undersized but works fine. It quickly snaps
> >> onto bale at mast bottom and fitting on boom. You can't use pop top
> >> with traveler in place but if you are racing you will not have pop top
> >> up.
> >>
> >> As to your cake.....just try reouting sheets while underway. It is not
> >> that hard to do. Racing a R22 single handed keeps one quite busy. On
> >> the upwind leg you can start out iside shrouds. One your last tack to
> >> the mark reroute lazy sheet well in advance. I undo my figure eight
> >> knot and pull (and coil) sheet back out of the block. One quick step
> >> forward and I pass the coil outside and run back through block, tie
> >> new figure eight and you are ready to go. Trying to make changes near
> >> the mark is not good. After you jibe get things in control then
> >> reroute the other sheet. After last jibe on down wind run do it all
> >> over again. I can secure my tiller for hand free sailing (briefly) and
> >> sail this way quite often.
> >>
> >> I quit doing it but the first season I even flew my spinnaker in a
> >> couple of races single handed. Talk about chaos! I would furl genny,
> >> jump forward and hoist spinnaker as fast as I could. Go back to
> >> cockpit and trim sails then cleat. Jump back forward and set pole. I
> >> would only do this in very light winds. I didn't do well in these 
>races.
> >>
> >> Fair Winds,
> >>
> >> Wally
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Charles Henthorn 
> >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:00 -0800 (PST)
> >>>
> >>> Wally:
> >>> I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the
> >>> shrouds. The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a
> >>> way to have my cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use
> >>> genoa outside of outer shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and be
> >>> prepared without re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the outside
> >>> shrouds when beating.
> >>> Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward
> >>> rail when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward winch
> >>> only as a block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to the
> >>> windward winch, I can control and adjust the genoa shape much better
> >>> and efficiently while continuing to keep the proper weight
> >>> distribution on the windward side of the boat. When
> >>> single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched across the cockpit
> >>> from winch to winch is not a problem.
> >>> Your vang suggestion intrigues me. With the IMF and the
> >>> poptop configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends to
> >>> the mast and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop.
> >>> Someone mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that
> >>> might make it easier to handle. I use it and find it cumbersome (at
> >>> least single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep the
> >>> weight on the windward side, and reach across the stern to release
> >>> the traveler immediately after the change of course --- or (2) ease
> >>> the mainsheet and loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of
> >>> the traveler) before the tack so its free to adjust after the tack.
> >>> I've thought of mounting a block on the end of the traveler bar so
> >>> the line could wrap around the end but be held by a cleat of some
> >>> type on the opposite end but the traveler track---but it doesn't seem
> >>> shaped nor configured to permit a practical implementation of that 
>idea.
> >>> Rex
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> TN Rhodey wrote:
> >>> Rex,
> >>>
> >>> I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib sheets
> >>> is not
> >>> a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and walk
> >>> forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that you
> >>> really
> >>> want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling
> >>> anyway. In
> >>> that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be worth
> >>> rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can sheet
> >>> inside
> >>> shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang. Proper
> >>> use of
> >>> vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier conditions. 
>The
> >>> biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also do
> >>> you have
> >>> a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting forward
> >>> in the
> >>> cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.
> >>>
> >>> Wally
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Charles Henthorn
> >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> >>>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when 
>racing.
> >>>> Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew if
> >>> I were
> >>>> to try re-rigging between course changes.
> >>>> Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it
> >>>> through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
> >>>> Rex
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Slim wrote:
> >>>> Rex,
> >>>>
> >>>> I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been
> >>> having
> >>>> trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on
> >>> something.
> >>>> When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until I've
> >>>> crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I let
> >>>> loose.
> >>>> That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution is 
>to
> >>>> simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about. This
> >>> can be
> >>>> done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster than
> >>> having
> >>>> a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. Also
> >>> with a
> >>>> little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If
> >>> you're on
> >>>> a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then
> >>> when you
> >>>> come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your pop
> >>> top
> >>>> down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the 
>sheets
> >>>> from
> >>>> inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope this helps. Good luck.
> >>>>
> >>>> Slim
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anne:
> >>>>> My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman
> >>> Lake,
> >>>> but
> >>>>> I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season.
> >>> I've
> >>>> never
> >>>>> raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at Eagle
> >>>> Creek.
> >>>>> Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and
> >>> probably 3
> >>>> hrs
> >>>>> from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll
> >>> give you
> >>>> an
> >>>>> email in advance.
> >>>>> I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track inside
> >>> the
> >>>>> outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake configuration
> >>> and
> >>>> our
> >>>>> distance courses being layed out around several points and tree
> >>> lines,
> >>>> our
> >>>>> winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change
> >>> dramatically in
> >>>>> intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa
> >>> running
> >>>>> rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option away
> >>>> when it
> >>>>> might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
> >>>>> 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the
> >>> outside
> >>>>> shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the sheets so
> >>>> you're
> >>>>> not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding it
> >>>> difficult in
> >>>>> light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side
> >>> on a
> >>>> tack or
> >>>>> gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port or
> >>>> chainplate
> >>>>> connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next
> >>> spring now
> >>>> with
> >>>>> winter
> >>>>> upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a
> >>> complete
> >>>>> failure.
> >>>>> Rex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> anima13 wrote:
> >>>>> Rex,
> >>>>> What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
> >>>>> I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this list,
> >>>> these
> >>>>> folks.
> >>>>> I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes.
> >>> One year
> >>>> we
> >>>>> sailed
> >>>>> every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
> >>>>> Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake
> >>> gathering
> >>>> for
> >>>>> Rhodes
> >>>>> when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik
> >>>> Sandberg
> >>>>> would concur,
> >>>>> I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just less
> >>> than
> >>>> the
> >>>>> whole 175%,
> >>>>> like 160% or so.
> >>>>> However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc.
> >>> Hence,
> >>>> PHRF!
> >>>>> Wally races his R-22.
> >>>>> I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for
> >>> years.
> >>>> Our
> >>>>> philosophy is to
> >>>>> point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in
> >>> tight as
> >>>> a
> >>>>> drum and our
> >>>>> helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex
> >>> or the
> >>>>> telltales. She is
> >>>>> not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or
> >>> "off" so
> >>>> she
> >>>>> does not have to look up
> >>>>> to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the
> >>>> downwind...if
> >>>>> we have enough staff.
> >>>>> We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the fall.
> >>> Lots
> >>>> of
> >>>>> folks from Eagle Creek
> >>>>> come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are
> >>> some of
> >>>> our
> >>>>> favorite friends.
> >>>>> Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting crew. We
> >>>> require
> >>>>> a minimum of 6
> >>>>> for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not
> >>>> crowded!
> >>>>> Too many jobs to do.
> >>>>> Anne
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles
> >>> Henthorn
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ann:
> >>>>> Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
> >>>>> Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my boat
> >>>> yesterday.
> >>>>> I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake
> >>> than here.
> >>>>> Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the
> >>> runs
> >>>>> but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the reaches.
> >>> Do you
> >>>>> race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than the
> >>>> Santana's
> >>>>> and Flying Scots I try to race against?
> >>>>> Rex
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> anima13 wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
> >>>>> Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
> >>>>> Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
> >>>>> Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
> >>>>> party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
> >>>>> That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov 1st.
> >>>>> Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in the
> >>>>> morning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anne
> >>>>>
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