[Rhodes22-list] Countersunk Flathead Screws Facing Outward
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Mon Sep 11 11:50:41 EDT 2006
Todd,
Thanks, again!
I haven't been following this thread very closely because I thought it
didn't really apply to me (beyond the responsibility for getting Lou
into all this work in the first place).
This is another question I've been asking for years.
I knew that hole couldn't be through bolted, but every time I asked what
it was supposed to be, I didn't get a response. (Mine fell off years
ago, and I couldn't figure out what to replace it with.)
I only looked at the diagram because Lou said it was another good one.
Yes, it should be in the archives.
Bill Effros
Lou Rosenberg wrote:
> Todd,
> The bolt shown in my photo will be shaved flush to the inside of the
> backing plate to allow the rudder to pivot. I did not see enough
> "meat " left on the inside of my aluminum plates to countersink
> anything. Basically, I am adding more grip for the larger 5/16
> fastener for the lower outboard pintle. The skeg had so much rot
> there is plenty of space for these backing plates. Roger also
> recommended to me that I epoxy the ss backing plate to the aluminum
> to help separate the two metals. The machining time was minimal and I
> do believe it will make the pintle connection stronger. As I said,
> these plates are obviously very used and original materials from 1981,
> and they will need to be replaced in a few years of saltwater use.
>
> I do like your diagram and I think it should be in the archives,
> thanks for the feedback!
> Lou
>
>> Lou,
>>
>> I am a bit confused by your post and pic. It appears that you are
>> putting the threaded plate between the aluminum plate and the rudder
>> blade? By looking at your pic, the 5/16" bolt will be the aft most
>> bolt
>> on the lower pintle. Won't this bolt hit the rudder blade interfere
>> with
>> the movement of the blade?
>>
>> IIRC the aft most bolt for the lower pintle is actually two flat heads
>> that are countersunk into the aluminum plate and face
>> outward........only
>> clamping the pintle tang to the plate.
>>
>> See attached drawing,
>>
>> Todd T.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: steadilsr at verizon.net
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: rudder overhaul
>> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:20:16 -0500 (CDT)
>>
>>
>> Rhodies
>> saw my name mentioned as a proj boat enthusiast.
>> yeah I love the smell of acetone on my raw skin.
>>
>> Had to overhaul my entire rudder assembly too.
>> Just in case no one has had to do this I recommend:
>>
>> taking out the pintles with care, use WD40 or whatever works to
>> remove the corrosion btw ss pintle and aluminum plate. strip off
>> corrosion with 3M paint stripper, epoxy the hell out of your SKEG
>> and then barrier coat what is left of it. Fill any unused holes
>> (some guy thought it was a piece of cheese on my boat)
>> I added 2 ss strips (1"x4" x 1/16") with 5/16 tapped threads to add
>> more grip for the lower outboard pintl e fasteners. In effect
>> taking the bolt up to a 5/16 and adding a back plate which will
>> have plenty of room btw the skeg and the inside of the alum plate.
>> see attached photo.
>>
>> Next time around I will replace the alum plates with
>> titanium :)
>>
>> sail free and keep the wind in your sails
>> peace
>> Lou
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: Rory Orkin
>> > Date: 2006/09/09 Sat AM 07:20:41 CDT
>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Reply to Rory on Rhodes 22 for sale.
>>
>> >
>> > No argument from me. But I think you are missing my point a little
>> bit.. This
>> > PARTICLAR boat is a bit unique.. It can not be inspected, it is a
>> throw
>> > away, and for some reason , it was not paid for. The inspection
>> > process is a bunch
>> > of pictures on the internet.. No one to talk to or get even the
>> most
>> > rudamentary history. Even for a project boat there may be
>> surprises. Of
>> > course at the price all that is at risk is not much money and some
>> time and
>> > expense in hauling. Having bought and sold a lot of used equipment
>> and
>> > machinery one learns that without inspection, that "great deal" can
>> actually
>> > be scrap. Since this price is a scrap price (probably the value of
>> > salvagable parts) then the proper buyer should by all means have at
>> it.. But
>> > be prepared for the possibility of it turning out to be "you get
>> what you
>> > pay for" . A $1,000 boat that can be inspected may be a far better
>> deal
>> > than one that is $500
>> > PS to Ed-- I knew it was a project boat.. and that used boats are
>> available
>> > ready to sail.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jim Connolly wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My first sailboat was a '69 O'Day Mariner 2+2. Rhodes 19 hull with
>> a less
>> >> rudimentary cabin that theoretically could sleep 4, wash basin
>> molded in
>> >> under the v-berth, no kitchen. It still had the original porta
>> potty
>> >> (made
>> >> of steel! And yet somehow it still stunk). It had sat on the hard
>> for at
>> >> least three years. The cabin hatch went missing at some point, and
>> some
>> >> bright light covered the 1' square hole with a trash bag. That
>> worked
>> >> fine,
>> >> until it rained.
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea how high the water level reached inside the hull,
>> but the
>> >> same or similar bright fellow apparently decided to drain the
>> cabin by
>> >> drilling a 5/8" hole in the bottom of the hull forward of the
>> centerboard
>> >> trunk. Hopefully he did it from underneath with a corded drill.
>> That
>> >> would
>> >> have taught him (or his heirs) a valuable lesson.
>> >>
>> >> I trashed the mildewed cabin cushions (orange vinyl) rusted steel
>> porta
>> >> potty, etc. basically leaving a hollow fiberglass cave inside the
>> cabin. I
>> >> cleaned the hell out of it with gallons of bleach, mildew killer
>> paint,
>> >> etc.
>> >> For the (reasonable) price of this project boat, I got a new main
>> and a
>> >> recycled R-19 racing jib, replaced standing and running rigging,
>> and fixed
>> >> the hole in the hull, and I was good to go. I wasn't interested in
>> the
>> >> cabin, and in three years, never went back and did anything else
>> in there.
>> >> I did do other upgrades on hardware and other exterior cosmetics
>> that I
>> >> cared about.
>> >>
>> >> My advice, evaluate your skills and a realistic estimate of repair
>> time.
>> >> Others (including Ed K) have pointed out that if you don't need
>> Stan's
>> >> high-end cabin, you need no re-create it. You might be able to
>> sail
>> >> happily
>> >> with little down there. The bulkhead for the mast support may be
>> the only
>> >> critical structural member in there. Jim Connolly
>> >> s/v Inisheer
>> >> '85 Recycled '03
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tootle
>> >> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:38 PM
>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Rory on Rhodes 22 for sale.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rory:
>> >>
>> >> There are used boats sold ready to sail, see Rummy's post and
>> there
>> >> are
>> >> eBay or other used Rhodes. At $500 to $600 you assume you are
>> getting
>> >> what
>> >> we call a project boat. Just looking at the boat I agree with Mike
>> that
>> >> it
>> >> is more than a parts boat. As to cleaning and rebuilding interior.
>> On a
>> >> Rhodes that is not that difficult to set up a very basic interior.
>> Such
>> >> an
>> >> interior would not be equivalent to Stan's recycle, but for
>> somebody on a
>> >> small budget it is a way to get a sailboat and get on the water.
>> >> It would take time and work. That is what a project
>> >> boat is. It
>> >> is
>> >> not really meant to take sailing with the family tomorrow. Expect
>> to pay
>> >> 10
>> >> to 20 times the price for one ready to sail. And a really clean
>> and good
>> >> one is over $20,000. Again, it would be an inexpensive
>> >> way to get a Rhodes 22, but it
>> >> would also take work. As far as I have seen, there is nothing
>> impossible
>> >> to
>> >> repair and rebuild on a R22. Some repairs take time and patients,
>> just
>> >> ask
>> >> Lou Rosenberg.
>> >>
>> >> Ed K
>> >> Greenville, SC, USA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> R22MikeW wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that it will take some work. The mold is probably from
>> rain water
>> >>> -
>> >>> the boat is sitting at a boat yard and needs a new companionway
>> door.
>> >>>
>> >>> This boat was discussed a week or 2 ago on this list. Without
>> >>> rehashing the messages, I think that even as a "project boat"
>> >>> it is worth $500-$600!
>> >>> Who
>> >>> knows, you might get it for $319 if no one else bids!
>> >>>
>> >>> As far as why would someone "give it" away? Everything from
>> >>> divorce proceedings to the passing of the captain. It may just
>> >>> be too much for them to repair.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
>> >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Rory Orkin"
>> >>> To:
>> >>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:14 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Note the excessive mold on the port vertical area of the v
>> berth..
>> >>>> gotta wonder where that water is comming from.
>> >>>> Some items that leak or need to be replaced might not be made on
>> a boat
>> >>> that
>> >>>> old.
>> >>>> Might just be a parts boat. THes owner seems to have just given
>> up on it
>> >>> and
>> >>>> given it away.
>> >>>> Wonder why ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> R22MikeW wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > BTW, the eBay 1982 R22 that was sold last week for $565 +
>> >>>> $119 was > not paid for so it has been relisted at $200 + $119
>> >>>> as item > number:140027245056
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=14002724
>> >>> 5056&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNARL%3AMT%3A12
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Come on, who wants a bargain?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Mike
>> >>>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> > From:
>> >>>> > To:
>> >>>> > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:39 AM
>> >>>> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> I am helping a fellow Lake Hartwell Rhodes owner sell their
>> >>>> boat. >> They
>> >>>> > must
>> >>>> >> sell due to personal health related problems so I offered to
>> help
>> >>>> them.
>> >>>> >> The boat is an 1989 model, factory recycled in 2004 and has
>> >>>> seen >> very
>> >>>> > little
>> >>>> >> use in the past two years. It is a beautiful red hull, has
>> IMF and >> a
>> >>>> 17
>> >>> 5
>> >>>> >> genny. Particulars and photo's are available by contacting
>> >>>> me off >> the list directly. It does not have a trailer, but I
>> >>>> understand >> that there are
>> >>>> > several good
>> >>>> >> used ones available from GB.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Rummy
>> >>>> >> 864-933-4284
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