[Rhodes22-list] RE: rudder overhaul
Lou Rosenberg
lsr3 at MAIL.nyu.edu
Mon Sep 11 10:30:59 EDT 2006
Todd,
The bolt shown in my photo will be shaved flush to the inside of the
backing plate to allow the rudder to pivot. I did not see enough
"meat " left on the inside of my aluminum plates to countersink
anything. Basically, I am adding more grip for the larger 5/16
fastener for the lower outboard pintle. The skeg had so much rot
there is plenty of space for these backing plates. Roger also
recommended to me that I epoxy the ss backing plate to the aluminum
to help separate the two metals. The machining time was minimal and
I do believe it will make the pintle connection stronger. As I said,
these plates are obviously very used and original materials from
1981, and they will need to be replaced in a few years of saltwater
use.
I do like your diagram and I think it should be in the archives,
thanks for the feedback!
Lou
>Lou,
>
>I am a bit confused by your post and pic. It appears that you are
>putting the threaded plate between the aluminum plate and the rudder
>blade? By looking at your pic, the 5/16" bolt will be the aft most bolt
>on the lower pintle. Won't this bolt hit the rudder blade interfere with
>the movement of the blade?
>
>IIRC the aft most bolt for the lower pintle is actually two flat heads
>that are countersunk into the aluminum plate and face outward........only
>clamping the pintle tang to the plate.
>
>See attached drawing,
>
>Todd T.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: steadilsr at verizon.net
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: rudder overhaul
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:20:16 -0500 (CDT)
>
>
> Rhodies
> saw my name mentioned as a proj boat enthusiast.
> yeah I love the smell of acetone on my raw skin.
>
> Had to overhaul my entire rudder assembly too.
> Just in case no one has had to do this I recommend:
>
> taking out the pintles with care, use WD40 or whatever works to
> remove the corrosion btw ss pintle and aluminum plate. strip off
> corrosion with 3M paint stripper, epoxy the hell out of your SKEG
> and then barrier coat what is left of it. Fill any unused holes
> (some guy thought it was a piece of cheese on my boat)
> I added 2 ss strips (1"x4" x 1/16") with 5/16 tapped threads to add
> more grip for the lower outboard pintl e fasteners. In effect
> taking the bolt up to a 5/16 and adding a back plate which will
> have plenty of room btw the skeg and the inside of the alum plate.
> see attached photo.
>
> Next time around I will replace the alum plates with
> titanium :)
>
> sail free and keep the wind in your sails
> peace
> Lou
>
>
>
>
> > From: Rory Orkin
> > Date: 2006/09/09 Sat AM 07:20:41 CDT
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Reply to Rory on Rhodes 22 for sale.
>
> >
> > No argument from me. But I think you are missing my point a little
> bit.. This
> > PARTICLAR boat is a bit unique.. It can not be inspected, it is a
> throw
> > away, and for some reason , it was not paid for. The inspection
> > process is a bunch
> > of pictures on the internet.. No one to talk to or get even the
> most
> > rudamentary history. Even for a project boat there may be
> surprises. Of
> > course at the price all that is at risk is not much money and some
> time and
> > expense in hauling. Having bought and sold a lot of used equipment
> and
> > machinery one learns that without inspection, that "great deal" can
> actually
> > be scrap. Since this price is a scrap price (probably the value of
> > salvagable parts) then the proper buyer should by all means have at
> it.. But
> > be prepared for the possibility of it turning out to be "you get
> what you
> > pay for" . A $1,000 boat that can be inspected may be a far better
> deal
> > than one that is $500
> > PS to Ed-- I knew it was a project boat.. and that used boats are
> available
> > ready to sail.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Connolly wrote:
> >>
> >> My first sailboat was a '69 O'Day Mariner 2+2. Rhodes 19 hull with
> a less
> >> rudimentary cabin that theoretically could sleep 4, wash basin
> molded in
> >> under the v-berth, no kitchen. It still had the original porta
> potty
> >> (made
> >> of steel! And yet somehow it still stunk). It had sat on the hard
> for at
> >> least three years. The cabin hatch went missing at some point, and
> some
> >> bright light covered the 1' square hole with a trash bag. That
> worked
> >> fine,
> >> until it rained.
> >>
> >> I have no idea how high the water level reached inside the hull,
> but the
> >> same or similar bright fellow apparently decided to drain the
> cabin by
> >> drilling a 5/8" hole in the bottom of the hull forward of the
> centerboard
> >> trunk. Hopefully he did it from underneath with a corded drill.
> That
> >> would
> >> have taught him (or his heirs) a valuable lesson.
> >>
> >> I trashed the mildewed cabin cushions (orange vinyl) rusted steel
> porta
> >> potty, etc. basically leaving a hollow fiberglass cave inside the
> cabin. I
> >> cleaned the hell out of it with gallons of bleach, mildew killer
> paint,
> >> etc.
> >> For the (reasonable) price of this project boat, I got a new main
> and a
> >> recycled R-19 racing jib, replaced standing and running rigging,
> and fixed
> >> the hole in the hull, and I was good to go. I wasn't interested in
> the
> >> cabin, and in three years, never went back and did anything else
> in there.
> >> I did do other upgrades on hardware and other exterior cosmetics
> that I
> >> cared about.
> >>
> >> My advice, evaluate your skills and a realistic estimate of repair
> time.
> >> Others (including Ed K) have pointed out that if you don't need
> Stan's
> >> high-end cabin, you need no re-create it. You might be able to
> sail
> >> happily
> >> with little down there. The bulkhead for the mast support may be
> the only
> >> critical structural member in there. Jim Connolly
> >> s/v Inisheer
> >> '85 Recycled '03
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tootle
> >> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:38 PM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Rory on Rhodes 22 for sale.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rory:
> >>
> >> There are used boats sold ready to sail, see Rummy's post and
> there
> >> are
> >> eBay or other used Rhodes. At $500 to $600 you assume you are
> getting
> >> what
> >> we call a project boat. Just looking at the boat I agree with Mike
> that
> >> it
> >> is more than a parts boat. As to cleaning and rebuilding interior.
> On a
> >> Rhodes that is not that difficult to set up a very basic interior.
> Such
> >> an
> >> interior would not be equivalent to Stan's recycle, but for
> somebody on a
> >> small budget it is a way to get a sailboat and get on the water.
> >> It would take time and work. That is what a project
> >> boat is. It
> >> is
> >> not really meant to take sailing with the family tomorrow. Expect
> to pay
> >> 10
> >> to 20 times the price for one ready to sail. And a really clean
> and good
> >> one is over $20,000. Again, it would be an inexpensive
> >> way to get a Rhodes 22, but it
> >> would also take work. As far as I have seen, there is nothing
> impossible
> >> to
> >> repair and rebuild on a R22. Some repairs take time and patients,
> just
> >> ask
> >> Lou Rosenberg.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> R22MikeW wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree that it will take some work. The mold is probably from
> rain water
> >>> -
> >>> the boat is sitting at a boat yard and needs a new companionway
> door.
> >>>
> >>> This boat was discussed a week or 2 ago on this list. Without
> >>> rehashing the messages, I think that even as a "project boat"
> >>> it is worth $500-$600!
> >>> Who
> >>> knows, you might get it for $319 if no one else bids!
> >>>
> >>> As far as why would someone "give it" away? Everything from
> >>> divorce proceedings to the passing of the captain. It may just
> >>> be too much for them to repair.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Rory Orkin"
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:14 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Note the excessive mold on the port vertical area of the v
> berth..
> >>>> gotta wonder where that water is comming from.
> >>>> Some items that leak or need to be replaced might not be made on
> a boat
> >>> that
> >>>> old.
> >>>> Might just be a parts boat. THes owner seems to have just given
> up on it
> >>> and
> >>>> given it away.
> >>>> Wonder why ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> R22MikeW wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > BTW, the eBay 1982 R22 that was sold last week for $565 +
> >>>> $119 was > not paid for so it has been relisted at $200 + $119
> >>>> as item > number:140027245056
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=14002724
> >>> 5056&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNARL%3AMT%3A12
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Come on, who wants a bargain?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Mike
> >>>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > From:
> >>>> > To:
> >>>> > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:39 AM
> >>>> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> I am helping a fellow Lake Hartwell Rhodes owner sell their
> >>>> boat. >> They
> >>>> > must
> >>>> >> sell due to personal health related problems so I offered to
> help
> >>>> them.
> >>>> >> The boat is an 1989 model, factory recycled in 2004 and has
> >>>> seen >> very
> >>>> > little
> >>>> >> use in the past two years. It is a beautiful red hull, has
> IMF and >> a
> >>>> 17
> >>> 5
> >>>> >> genny. Particulars and photo's are available by contacting
> >>>> me off >> the list directly. It does not have a trailer, but I
> >>>> understand >> that there are
> >>>> > several good
> >>>> >> used ones available from GB.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Rummy
> >>>> >> 864-933-4284
> >>>> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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