[Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human
excrement..was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
3drecon at comcast.net
3drecon at comcast.net
Tue Sep 19 15:22:10 EDT 2006
Saroj,
Envirolet® composting toilet system video
Philip
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
> right... I don't think it is at all practical on a Rhodes... for one thing
> you need room for the composting part plus they typically use heat and
> moisture to facilitate the composting process.
>
> Saroj
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <3drecon at comcast.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human
> excrement..was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
>
>
> > Saroj,
> >
> > Come to think of it, I may have seen the composting toilets in a sailing
> > magazine, maybe Cruising World. They discussed taking the composting out
> > at the end of the season and just leaving it outside or in the shed until
> > spring. Dump it in the garden and back into the boat it goes. Sounded
> > pretty good. I would be worried about capacity and CW usually deals with
> > larger boats (e.g. larger heads).
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Saroj Gilbert"
> >
> >> Thanks, Philip... I will certainly do that research when (and IF) I have
> >> the
> >> need... Although it sounds pretty gross to dump urine over the side,
> >> realistically, what body of water that allows swimming doesn't have this
> >> happen on a regular basis... to say nothing of the numerous other animals
> >> that regularly introduce various bodily fluids into it.... I'm also not
> >> crazy about the use of plastic bags to deal with the "harder" stuff, but
> >> given the circumstances, I don't have a better alternative. At least with
> >> a
> >> composting toilet, the "processing" is local.
> >>
> >> Saroj
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:49 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement..
> >> was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
> >>
> >>
> >> > Saroj,
> >> > Thanks. I had not cleaned one of these before. I will follow your
> >> > directions and hopefully have a happy outcome. I am not unused to
> >> > cleaning this type of thing. A stint in the USMC and years in the Army
> >> > is
> >> > good training for it and though I have achieved a rank where you
> >> > wouldn't
> >> > expect me to do that, believe it or not, rank has very few privilages
> >> > these days.
> >> > Stan actually told me to throw it out if I didn't want to fool with
> >> > it, but I hate throwing away things that are not broken. I'll have to
> >> > see
> >> > how ambitious I am this week-end.
> >> > When I was researching boats, I found composting toilets on-line for
> >> > marine applications. I don't remember where I saw them but you can do a
> >> > search or if I run across it again I'll post it.
> >> >
> >> > Philip
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: "Saroj Gilbert"
> >> >
> >> >> Philip... why don't you just take out the portapotty (very
> >> >> carefully!),..
> >> >> place
> >> >> it in a large contractors heavy guage plastic bag, seal it well and
> >> >> then
> >> >> replace
> >> >> it when you return the boat to Stan. Or better still ask Stan if you
> >> >> can
> >> >> simply
> >> >> throw it out... I can't believe he would want it back to have to be
> >> >> cleaned
> >> >> before passing it onto someone else! Cleaning a porta potty...
> >> >> especially
> >> >> someone else's is one of the most disgusting tasks I can think of.
> >> >>
> >> >> However if you are set on cleaning it, here's how:
> >> >> a.. put on a gas mask
> >> >> b.. remove it from its clamps
> >> >> c.. set the bar so the waste compartment is sealed
> >> >> d.. separate the top (that holds the fresh water for flushing) from
> >> >> the
> >> >> bottom
> >> >> (the waste tank)
> >> >> e.. empty the waste tank down a toilet or dumping station
> >> >> f.. pour bleach and water into the waste tank and brush it out same as
> >> >> you
> >> >> would clean a household toilet
> >> >> g.. empty, rinse, empty rinse, redo the bleach/water routine, empty,
> >> >> rinse,
> >> >> empty rinse a few more times
> >> >> h.. spray the top part with Clorox cleanup or some equivalent and hose
> >> >> it
> >> >> down
> >> >> a few times...
> >> >> Then put the whole thing back together; put it in a heavy bag per
> >> >> above,
> >> >> store
> >> >> it until you return the boat to Stan. :o)
> >> >>
> >> >> Then, if you are feeling especially generous, reinstall it as it
> >> >> was...
> >> >>
> >> >> I frankly can't deal with porta potties... even if they are
> >> >> contaminated
> >> >> only
> >> >> with my DNA! In fact it is rare that I've been on a boat with a
> >> >> holding
> >> >> tank
> >> >> that didn't have a vestige of sewage odor in it somewhere... and,
> >> >> frankly, if I
> >> >> owned a boat with a holding tank, I wouldn't allow any paper to be put
> >> >> in
> >> >> it
> >> >> anyway... which means having a plastic bag in the head for the
> >> >> paper...
> >> >> more
> >> >> yuck... and more smell!
> >> >>
> >> >> I prefer a hand-held urinal and a 5-gallon bucket with a toilet seat
> >> >> and
> >> >> plastic
> >> >> bag... nothing to clean other than the toilet seat from time to time..
> >> >> a
> >> >> quick
> >> >> wipe! The urinal gets dumped over the side and rinsed...
> >> >>
> >> >> A well-designed composting toilet is the only thing that makes sense
> >> >> to
> >> >> me on a
> >> >> boat (other than hanging one's rear-end over the side), but I've never
> >> >> heard of
> >> >> one being made for marine usage.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saroj
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Brad Haslett"
> >> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:00 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Philip,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Read the whole thread on my shrimpmobile and follow every
> >> >> > suggestion.
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > won't remove the smell from your porti-potti, but, it will change it
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > something you don't recognize. I'm thinking about volunteering to be
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > designated driver at sleazy bars just to add the aroma of puked
> >> >> > tequila
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > the mix. Can't be any worse than dead shrimp!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Brad
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 9/18/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's true, about the head. There is a curtain between the pottie
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> the V berth, I think. There is a swing arm, perhaps for a curtain?
> >> >> >> My
> >> >> >> loaner is a 1989 and it has a stinky porta-potty. I think GBI took
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> with the previous owner's DNA still in it. I haven't figured out
> >> >> >> how
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> clean it yet so I leave the cabin open as much as I can!
> >> >> >> In all fairness to Stan, he offered to install a real head if I had
> >> >> >> the time to stay in Edenton, but I didn't, so. . . since it is a
> >> >> >> loaner.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Philip
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Tootle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Erly:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Here is a way to get some specific towing information:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html#T
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > And another way:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> http://search.ask.com/web?q=towing+site%3Arhodes22.org+&qsrc=1&o=0&l=dir
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Please note that the above method of searching past discussions
> >> >> >> > of a
> >> >> >> topic
> >> >> >> > on this forum works for other topics.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Some additional comments: Captain Rummy is an easy drive and can
> >> >> >> > show you the limits of an older model Rhodes 22 ('88). He does
> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> > come
> >> >> >> > free. You need to lubricate the session with a bottle of Mt. Gay
> >> >> >> > rum.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > As to tow vehicles go to Mary Lou's post
> >> >> >> > (
> >> >> >>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-September/034114.html
> >> >> >> )
> >> >> >> > and read how far will you tow? 50 miles is one thing and 500 is
> >> >> >> > quite
> >> >> >> > another. I started towing with a short bed van with V 8 engine,
> >> >> >> > because
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> > had one. Others tow with a 6 and a few even with a 4.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Keep in mind older Rhodes 22's did not come with the enclosed
> >> >> >> > head, that is a recent innovation and modification.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Again, welcome to the Rhodes List.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >> > http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Erly,
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Hold your horses! Rik, you listening? We have an expert
> >> >> >> > > trucking
> >> >> >> company
> >> >> >> > > executive on the list who pulled a R-22 with an S10 Chevy
> >> >> >> > > pickup.
> >> >> >> Don't
> >> >> >> > > get
> >> >> >> > > into to big a hurry to upgrade.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Brad
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > On 9/17/06, Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't
> >> >> >> > >> sound
> >> >> >> too
> >> >> >> > >> good.
> >> >> >> > >> Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Erly
> >> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> > >> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> >> >> >> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
> >> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> > Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to
> >> >> >> > >> > tow
> >> >> >> 5,000
> >> >> >> > >> > lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a
> >> >> >> > >> > couple
> >> >> >> > >> > of
> >> >> >> times
> >> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> >> > >> > year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we
> >> >> >> > >> > had
> >> >> >> > >> > a
> >> >> >> lot
> >> >> >> > >> of
> >> >> >> > >> > hills we might look for something a little beefier. The
> >> >> >> > >> > Rhodes
> >> >> >> > >> > does
> >> >> >> tow
> >> >> >> > >> > well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities
> >> >> >> > >> > weigh
> >> >> >> > >> > something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to
> >> >> >> > >> > set
> >> >> >> > >> > up
> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> >> > >> > boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows
> >> >> >> > >> > you
> >> >> >> > >> > to
> >> >> >> raise
> >> >> >> > >> > mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is
> >> >> >> > >> > heavier
> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> > >> > the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once
> >> >> >> > >> > GB
> >> >> >> sells
> >> >> >> > >> > comes in very handy.
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Best,
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Mary Lou
> >> >> >> > >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >> >> >> > >> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> >>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning
> >> >> >> > >> >>a
> >> >> >> > >> >>trip
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> >> > >> >>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing
> >> >> >> > >> >>with
> >> >> >> > >> >>my
> >> >> >> > >> Toyota.
> >> >> >> > >> >>I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized
> >> >> >> > >> >>truck.
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >>Erly
> >> >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip"
> >> >> >> > >> >><3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> >> >> > >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> >> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
> >> >> >> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa
> >> >> >> > >> >>>versa
> >> >> >> > >> (i.e.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>the
> >> >> >> > >> >>>boring list).
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> > >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >> >> > >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> >> >> >> > >> >>>Brad
> >> >> >> Haslett
> >> >> >> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
> >> >> >> > >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> >> > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>Philip,
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22'
> >> >> >> > >> >>>foot
> >> >> >> > >> >>>boat
> >> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> >> > >> >>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
> >> >> >> legendary.
> >> >> >> > >> The
> >> >> >> > >> >>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any
> >> >> >> > >> >>>30
> >> >> >> footer
> >> >> >> > >> ever
> >> >> >> > >> >>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2
> >> >> >> > >> >>>builder)
> >> >> >> > >> >>>is
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > >> >>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers
> >> >> >> > >> >>>wise).
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
> >> >> >> sailboats.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so
> >> >> >> > >> >>>many
> >> >> >> > >> >>>days
> >> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> >> > >> >>>I
> >> >> >> > >> >>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the
> >> >> >> > >> >>>search
> >> >> >> > >> >>>is
> >> >> >> > >> over.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>Brad
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>feet,
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>but
> >> >> >> > >> then
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>it
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>the
> >> >> >> company
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>were
> >> >> >> > >> >>>a
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>the
> >> >> >> personal
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
> >> >> >> negatives.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>But
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>outstanding
> >> >> >> > >> boat.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>The
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Philip
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> Garner
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>the
> >> >> >> Rhodes
> >> >> >> > >> but
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>making
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>an
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>investment.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Rhodes
> >> >> >> (93
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Toyota
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>some
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>negative
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>From: "Tootle"
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>To:
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly:
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> When
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>25
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>to
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>compare. And
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>22. As
> >> >> >> > >> the
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>owner
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>beginning
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>season
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>and at the end of the season.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> not
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> currently
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> 22,
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> it
> >> >> >> > >> is
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>done all the time by members of this list.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look at
> >> >> >> > >> this
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> web
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>site:
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > Hi:
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > 19.
> >> >> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > >> just
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>now
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > research
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> indicates > that
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > to
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > have
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> an > easily
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake
> >> >> >> sailing,
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>girlfriend
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
> >> >> >> weekends,
> >> >> >> > >> and
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>want
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > there
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> > >> no
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>other
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > disadvantages
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > pull)?
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > Erly
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > __________________________________________________
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help?
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> > www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>--
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>View this message in context:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>>http://www.nabble.com/cons-of-rhodes-22-tf2287738.html#a6355270
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>__________________________________________________
> >> >> >> > >> >>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help?
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