[Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement.. was: Erly and towing the Rhodes 22

3drecon at comcast.net 3drecon at comcast.net
Tue Sep 19 18:43:47 EDT 2006


Thank you.  It sounds like the best way to handle porta-potties is keep them clean with plastic friendly detergents.  I'll take it apart this week-end and see if it is salvageable.
    
    Did you see the links I sent to earlier on compost toilets?  Some are smaller than I thought.

Philip

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From: <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> 

> Philip, not much time for a complete answer but wanted to 
> chime in as we chose a boat with a porta-potti over a boat 
> will a marine head and holding tank. (simpler, not much to 
> go wrong). I think Saroj's instructions for cleaning are 
> fine for your head which has been left on the boat in 
> um...less than optimum condition. I was actually going to 
> suggest it might be easier to just get a new one. 
> 
> If it does clean up ok, we use a much simpler routine 
> after every trip on the boat. We use a tank deoderant 
> (Oderlos - although the blue stuff also works)if we are 
> going to be using the head. Once we get back to the dock, 
> we take the porta-potti home, empty it down the toilet, 
> and clean it with hot water. If we've been out for several 
> days, I may clean it with hot water and a disinfectant. I 
> don't use bleach as I suspect that over time it will 
> degrade the seals and gaskets. We also store it with the 
> caps off so it dries thoroughly. We've done this for the 
> nearly 20 years we've owned trailerable boats and rarely 
> had odors in the head. 
> 
> Hope this helps, 
> Mary Lou 
> 1991 R22 Fretless 
> Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD) 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:49:34 +0000 
> 3drecon at comcast.net wrote: 
> > Saroj, 
> > Thanks. I had not cleaned one of these before. I 
> >will follow your directions and hopefully have a happy 
> >outcome. I am not unused to cleaning this type of thing. 
> > A stint in the USMC and years in the Army is good 
> >training for it and though I have achieved a rank where 
> >you wouldn't expect me to do that, believe it or not, 
> >rank has very few privilages these days. 
> > Stan actually told me to throw it out if I didn't 
> >want to fool with it, but I hate throwing away things 
> >that are not broken. I'll have to see how ambitious I am 
> >this week-end. 
> > When I was researching boats, I found composting 
> >toilets on-line for marine applications. I don't 
> >remember where I saw them but you can do a search or if I 
> >run across it again I'll post it. 
> > 
> > Philip 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> >From: "Saroj Gilbert" 
> > 
> >> Philip... why don't you just take out the portapotty 
> >>(very carefully!),.. place 
> >> it in a large contractors heavy guage plastic bag, seal 
> >>it well and then replace 
> >> it when you return the boat to Stan. Or better still ask 
> >>Stan if you can simply 
> >> throw it out... I can't believe he would want it back to 
> >>have to be cleaned 
> >> before passing it onto someone else! Cleaning a porta 
> >>potty... especially 
> >> someone else's is one of the most disgusting tasks I can 
> >>think of. 
> >> 
> >> However if you are set on cleaning it, here's how: 
> >> a.. put on a gas mask 
> >> b.. remove it from its clamps 
> >> c.. set the bar so the waste compartment is sealed 
> >> d.. separate the top (that holds the fresh water for 
> >>flushing) from the bottom 
> >> (the waste tank) 
> >> e.. empty the waste tank down a toilet or dumping 
> >>station 
> >> f.. pour bleach and water into the waste tank and brush 
> >>it out same as you 
> >> would clean a household toilet 
> >> g.. empty, rinse, empty rinse, redo the bleach/water 
> >>routine, empty, rinse, 
> >> empty rinse a few more times 
> >> h.. spray the top part with Clorox cleanup or some 
> >>equivalent and hose it down 
> >> a few times... 
> >> Then put the whole thing back together; put it in a 
> >>heavy bag per above, store 
> >> it until you return the boat to Stan. :o) 
> >> 
> >> Then, if you are feeling especially generous, reinstall 
> >>it as it was... 
> >> 
> >> I frankly can't deal with porta potties... even if they 
> >>are contaminated only 
> >> with my DNA! In fact it is rare that I've been on a boat 
> >>with a holding tank 
> >> that didn't have a vestige of sewage odor in it 
> >>somewhere... and, frankly, if I 
> >> owned a boat with a holding tank, I wouldn't allow any 
> >>paper to be put in it 
> >> anyway... which means having a plastic bag in the head 
> >>for the paper... more 
> >> yuck... and more smell! 
> >> 
> >> I prefer a hand-held urinal and a 5-gallon bucket with a 
> >>toilet seat and plastic 
> >> bag... nothing to clean other than the toilet seat from 
> >>time to time.. a quick 
> >> wipe! The urinal gets dumped over the side and rinsed... 
> >> 
> >> A well-designed composting toilet is the only thing that 
> >>makes sense to me on a 
> >> boat (other than hanging one's rear-end over the side), 
> >>but I've never heard of 
> >> one being made for marine usage. 
> >> 
> >> Saroj 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Brad Haslett" 
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
> >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:00 PM 
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Erly and towing the Rhodes 
> >>22 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Philip, 
> >> > 
> >> > Read the whole thread on my shrimpmobile and follow 
> >>every suggestion. It 
> >> > won't remove the smell from your porti-potti, but, it 
> >>will change it to 
> >> > something you don't recognize. I'm thinking about 
> >>volunteering to be a 
> >> > designated driver at sleazy bars just to add the aroma 
> >>of puked tequila to 
> >> > the mix. Can't be any worse than dead shrimp! 
> >> > 
> >> > Brad 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On 9/18/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net> 
> >>wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> That's true, about the head. There is a curtain 
> >>between the pottie and 
> >> >> the V berth, I think. There is a swing arm, perhaps 
> >>for a curtain? My 
> >> >> loaner is a 1989 and it has a stinky porta-potty. I 
> >>think GBI took it in 
> >> >> with the previous owner's DNA still in it. I haven't 
> >>figured out how to 
> >> >> clean it yet so I leave the cabin open as much as I 
> >>can! 
> >> >> In all fairness to Stan, he offered to install a real 
> >>head if I had 
> >> >> the time to stay in Edenton, but I didn't, so. . . 
> >>since it is a loaner. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Philip 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> >> >> From: Tootle 
> >> >> 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Erly: 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Here is a way to get some specific towing 
> >>information: 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html#T 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > And another way: 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >>http://search.ask.com/web?q=towing+site%3Arhodes22.org+&qsrc=1&o=0&l=dir 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Please note that the above method of searching past 
> >>discussions of a 
> >> >> topic 
> >> >> > on this forum works for other topics. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Some additional comments: Captain Rummy is an easy 
> >>drive and can 
> >> >> > show you the limits of an older model Rhodes 22 
> >>('88). He does not come 
> >> >> > free. You need to lubricate the session with a 
> >>bottle of Mt. Gay rum. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > As to tow vehicles go to Mary Lou's post 
> >> >> > ( 
> >> >> 
> >>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-September/034114.html 
> >> >> ) 
> >> >> > and read how far will you tow? 50 miles is one 
> >>thing and 500 is quite 
> >> >> > another. I started towing with a short bed van with 
> >>V 8 engine, because 
> >> >> I 
> >> >> > had one. Others tow with a 6 and a few even with a 
> >>4. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Keep in mind older Rhodes 22's did not come with 
> >>the enclosed 
> >> >> > head, that is a recent innovation and modification. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Again, welcome to the Rhodes List. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Ed K 
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA 
> >> >> > http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Ed K 
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote: 
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Erly, 
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Hold your horses! Rik, you listening? We have an 
> >>expert trucking 
> >> >> company 
> >> >> > > executive on the list who pulled a R-22 with an 
> >>S10 Chevy pickup. 
> >> >> Don't 
> >> >> > > get 
> >> >> > > into to big a hurry to upgrade. 
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Brad 
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > On 9/17/06, Erly Garner wrote: 
> >> >> > >> 
> >> >> > >> My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow 
> >>limit....Doesn't sound 
> >> >> too 
> >> >> > >> good. 
> >> >> > >> Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new 
> >>car. 
> >> >> > >> 
> >> >> > >> Erly 
> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> > >> From: "Mary Lou Troy" 
> >> >> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
> >> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM 
> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22 
> >> >> > >> 
> >> >> > >> 
> >> >> > >> > Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev 
> >>Blazer is rated to tow 
> >> >> 5,000 
> >> >> > >> > lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only 
> >>tow it a couple of 
> >> >> times 
> >> >> > >> a 
> >> >> > >> > year. It we were to tow long distances more 
> >>often and if we had a 
> >> >> lot 
> >> >> > >> of 
> >> >> > >> > hills we might look for something a little 
> >>beefier. The Rhodes does 
> >> >> tow 
> >> >> > >> > well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all 
> >>those amenities weigh 
> >> >> > >> > something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a 
> >>bit longer to set up 
> >> >> than 
> >> >> > >> a 
> >> >> > >> > boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF 
> >>which allows you to 
> >> >> raise 
> >> >> > >> > mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course 
> >>that bundle is heavier 
> >> >> than 
> >> >> > >> > the individual pieces so a mast raising system 
> >>like the once GB 
> >> >> sells 
> >> >> > >> > comes in very handy. 
> >> >> > >> > 
> >> >> > >> > Best, 
> >> >> > >> > 
> >> >> > >> > Mary Lou 
> >> >> > >> > 1991 R22 Fretless 
> >> >> > >> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD) 
> >> >> > >> > 
> >> >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote: 
> >> >> > >> >>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton 
> >>and am planning a trip 
> >> >> for 
> >> >> > >> a 
> >> >> > >> >>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments 
> >>about towing with my 
> >> >> > >> Toyota. 
> >> >> > >> >>I assume most are towed with an suv or 
> >>resonably sized truck. 
> >> >> > >> >> 
> >> >> > >> >>Erly 
> >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" 
> >><3drecon at comcast.net> 
> >> >> > >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
> >> >> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM 
> >> >> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22 
> >> >> > >> >> 
> >> >> > >> >> 
> >> >> > >> >>>See, I said there is a negative for every 
> >>positive and visa versa 
> >> >> > >> (i.e. 
> >> >> > >> >>>the 
> >> >> > >> >>>boring list). 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>-----Original Message----- 
> >> >> > >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> >> >> > >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] 
> >>On Behalf Of Brad 
> >> >> Haslett 
> >> >> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM 
> >> >> > >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> >> >> > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 
> >>22 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>Philip, 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They 
> >>made a 22' foot boat 
> >> >> > >> that 
> >> >> > >> >>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their 
> >>gelcoat quality is 
> >> >> legendary. 
> >> >> > >> The 
> >> >> > >> >>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the 
> >>most room of any 30 
> >> >> footer 
> >> >> > >> ever 
> >> >> > >> >>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon 
> >>Slicker, (S2 builder) is 
> >> >> a 
> >> >> > >> >>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale 
> >>(boat numbers wise). 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in 
> >>the history of 
> >> >> sailboats. 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. 
> >>There are so many days 
> >> >> > >> that 
> >> >> > >> >>>I 
> >> >> > >> >>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 
> >>footer, the search is 
> >> >> > >> over. 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>Brad 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> 
> >>wrote: 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if 
> >>it were 26 feet, but 
> >> >> > >> then 
> >> >> > >> >>>>it 
> >> >> > >> >>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It 
> >>would be nice if the 
> >> >> company 
> >> >> > >> >>>>were 
> >> >> > >> >>>a 
> >> >> > >> >>>>great world wide corporation, but then you 
> >>wouldn't get the 
> >> >> personal 
> >> >> > >> >>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't 
> >>think of anymore 
> >> >> negatives. 
> >> >> > >> >>>>But 
> >> >> > >> >>>>with each negative, there is a positive. 
> >>This is one outstanding 
> >> >> > >> boat. 
> >> >> > >> >>>The 
> >> >> > >> >>>>only reason to buy something else is size. 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Philip 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>-----Original Message----- 
> >> >> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> >>[mailto: 
> >> >> > >> >>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On 
> >>Behalf Of Erly Garner 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM 
> >> >> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 
> >>22 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K 
> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, 
> >>I'm sold on the 
> >> >> Rhodes 
> >> >> > >> but 
> >> >> > >> >>>>want to be informed of both sides of the 
> >>coin before making an 
> >> >> > >> >>>>investment. 
> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm relatively certain that my present 
> >>vehicle can't tow a Rhodes 
> >> >> (93 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Toyota 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There 
> >>are bound to be some 
> >> >> > >> >>>>negative 
> >> >> > >> >>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find 
> >>any. 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly 
> >> >> > >> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> > >> >>>>From: "Tootle" 
> >> >> > >> >>>>To: 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 
> >>22 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly: 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's 
> >>to Rhodes 22. When 
> >> >> > >> >>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to 
> >>go to the CP 25 to 
> >> >> > >> >>>>compare. And 
> >> >> > >> >>>>then you do not have the type trailerability 
> >>of the Rhodes 22. As 
> >> >> > >> the 
> >> >> > >> >>>>owner 
> >> >> > >> >>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, 
> >>at the beginning of 
> >> >> the 
> >> >> > >> >>>>season 
> >> >> > >> >>>>and at the end of the season. 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> If you want to trail without a big truck 
> >>there just is not 
> >> >> > >> >>>> currently 
> >> >> > >> >>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 
> >>22, tis fact. 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and 
> >>unrig a Rhodes 22, it 
> >> >> > >> is 
> >> >> > >> >>>>done all the time by members of this list. 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a 
> >>Rhodes 22? Look at 
> >> >> > >> this 
> >> >> > >> >>>> web 
> >> >> > >> >>>>site: 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>> 
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly Garner wrote: 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Hi: 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother 
> >>on his Compac 19. 
> >> >> I'm 
> >> >> > >> just 
> >> >> > >> >>>>now 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat 
> >>and my research 
> >> >> > >> >>>> indicates > that 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream 
> >>boat. I've got to have 
> >> >> > >> >>>> an > easily 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly 
> >>plan on lake 
> >> >> sailing, 
> >> >> > >> >>>>girlfriend 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side 
> >>overnights on 
> >> >> weekends, 
> >> >> > >> and 
> >> >> > >> >>>>want 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. 
> >>Big brother say there 
> >> >> is 
> >> >> > >> no 
> >> >> > >> >>>>other 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down 
> >>sides and disadvantages 
> >> >> of 
> >> >> > >> a 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest 
> >>vehicle to pull)? 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Thanks, 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Erly 
> >> >> > >> >>>> > 
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