[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )

3drecon at comcast.net 3drecon at comcast.net
Thu Sep 28 18:24:10 EDT 2006


Happy birthday Brad.

Philip


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From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com> 

> Slim, 
> 
> Don't know anyone from Selma but Condi grew up nearby. She actually 
> *knew*the girls who were killed in the church bombing (as opposed to 
> the serial 
> liar Clinton who never witnessed such a thing, despite his "pain of 
> remembering"). Condi did OK. Slim, I like you but you are out of touch 
> with reality sometimes. Come live with me in Memphis for a while and then 
> "preach". 
> 
> Today is my birthday, sing "Southern Man" in my honor. Even though I'm from 
> the Midwest, everyone knows what racists us 'grit boys' are. 
> 
> Brad 
> 
> 
> On 9/28/06, Slim wrote: 
> > 
> > Philip, 
> > 
> > You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your accomplishments 
> > in the face of adversity and challenge. But when you say: 
> > >> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities. 
> > something sticks in my craw. Do you remember the civil rights struggle in 
> > the 60s? Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was given 
> > ample opportunity then and if it's much better now. 
> > 
> > Slim 
> > 
> > On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote: 
> > 
> > > Herb, 
> > > I am sort of white, Mediteranian. My parents divorced when I was 
> > 10. My 
> > > dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what 
> > the 
> > > court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no 
> > fishing 
> > > trips, camping or anythnng like that. 
> > > My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult 
> > > participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I mean 
> > > retire). He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I was 
> > on 
> > > active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting). We 
> > put 
> > > ourselves through college working the whole time. I am in the Army 
> > (again) 
> > > until I retire, then back to the civilian job. I started out as a PVT 1 
> > in 
> > > the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army. None of this 
> > would have 
> > > been possible without an education. An education I paid for working, 
> > student 
> > > loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill. My brother 
> > didn't 
> > > have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself. 
> > > My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof (her 
> > > house) and fed while finishing her B.S. 
> > > You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness). Make 
> > your 
> > > choices and play it out. 
> > > I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of 
> > Dramatic Arts 
> > > (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III). My 
> > younger son 
> > > is in private school. 
> > > 
> > > Philip 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "Herb Parsons" 
> > > 
> > >> Phillip, 
> > >> 
> > >> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint 
> > >> generated. 
> > >> 
> > >> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call 
> > >> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who her 
> > >> husband was. 
> > >> 
> > >> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got 
> > >> married (12 years ago). 
> > >> 
> > >> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an 
> > >> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were grown. 
> > >> 
> > >> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3 months 
> > >> before their wedding. 
> > >> 
> > >> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to improve 
> > >> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in a 
> > >> white man's world. 
> > >> 
> > >> Yeah, sure of it... 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Herb Parsons 
> > >> 
> > >> S/V O'Jure 
> > >> 1976 O'Day 25 
> > >> Lake Grapevine, N TX 
> > >> 
> > >> S/V Reve de Papa 
> > >> 1971 Coronado 35 
> > >> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast 
> > >> 
> > >>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>> 
> > >> Slim, 
> > >> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a 
> > >> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of us 
> > >> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome, rather, 
> > >> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities. 
> > >> 
> > >> Philip 
> > >> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did 
> > >> alright anyway! 
> > >> 
> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > >> From: Slim 
> > >> 
> > >>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at 
> > >> the first 
> > >>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist, but 
> > >>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are two 
> > >> 
> > >>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly a 
> > >> level 
> > >>> playing field. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Slim 
> > >>> 
> > >>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote: 
> > >>> 
> > >>>> Slim, 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That doesn't 
> > >> mean I 
> > >>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the mindset. 
> > >> One area 
> > >>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I 
> > >> didn't 
> > >>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently 
> > >> unemployed 
> > >>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my 
> > >> success, 
> > >>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other words, 
> > >> if you 
> > >>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it on 
> > >> me or 
> > >>>> anyone else. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top 
> > >> of my 
> > >>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and my 
> > >> wife 
> > >>>> holding her hand over her heart. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Brad 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote: 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too: 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the 
> > >> administration 
> > >>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats. 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday and 
> > >> pray for 
> > >>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God. 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except 
> > >> English 
> > >>>>> should be banned within our borders. 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo. 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS 
> > >> adhere to 
> > >>>>> this 
> > >>>>> list!! 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote: 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your 
> > >> hat" to 
> > >>>>> the 
> > >>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve of 
> > >> mine 
> > >>>>> to 
> > >>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat. 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote: 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about 
> > >>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being 
> > >>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> elle 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE 
> > >>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the 
> > >>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same, 
> > >>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll 
> > >>>>>>> know who ya' are... 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to 
> > >>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under 
> > >>>>>>> God." 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never 
> > >>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in 
> > >>>>>>> public places. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say 
> > >>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival." 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head 
> > >>>>>>> when someone 
> > >>>>>>> prays. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place 
> > >>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National 
> > >>>>>>> Anthem. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam 
> > >>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned 
> > >>>>>>> an American flag. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you 
> > >>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter 
> > >>>>>>> who is listening. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your 
> > >>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last 
> > >>>>>>> dollar to a friend. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe 
> > >>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in 
> > >>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in 
> > >>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you 
> > >>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way 
> > >>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!! 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> 
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