[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )

Slim salm at mn.rr.com
Thu Sep 28 15:00:35 EDT 2006


> You are never alone, Slim.
> 
> the good guys from Brooklyn.
> 
> ss

NOW I'm happy!  The defense rests.

Slim

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com>
> To: "Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. .
> . )
> 
> 
> Thanks, Bill, I'm starting to feel very alone in this thread.  8-)
> Not that I mind being ganged up on--it's just that these guys always throw
> all those links to articles at me when I'm just writing from the heart (some
> would say from my ass) and shooting from the hip.
> 
> Slim
> 
> On 9/28/06 1:26 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
>> Slim,
>> 
>> Don't let the bleeding heart conservatives get you down.  Their hearts
>> bleed only for themselves.
>> 
>> Bill Effros
>> 
>> Slim wrote:
>>> Herb and Brad,
>>> 
>>> Pah-lease don't hold Condy up as a good example!  You're going to have to
>>> do
>>> better than that.  Her greatest skill is talking without saying anything.
>>> As long as you're at it, why not hold up Louis Farrakhan's success?
>>> (more
>>> sarcasm)  How about Little Richard?  He never got a dime in royalties for
>>> his songs.  I'll give you three guesses why.  How about Rubin "Hurricane"
>>> Carter?  He sure got a fair shake.
>>> 
>>> Slim
>>> 
>>> On 9/28/06 12:59 PM, "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Why would that "stick in your craw"? That was 40 years ago? Yes, things
>>>> were bad. But they are MUCH better now. Yes, things still need to get
>>>> better, but they are MUCH better now. Yes, things were hard back then,
>>>> but Condy Rice is a product of THAT ERA.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW, it wasn't "my accomplishments" I was talking about. It was the
>>>> pattern. I did better than my parents, because I chose to. My daughter
>>>> did better than I, because she chose to. I hope her kids do better than
>>>> she did (I also hope she starts HAVING them soon, I've trained my oldest
>>>> granddaughter [3 years old] to say "Aunt Saundra, I want a WRIGHT cousin
>>>> [my daughter's last name].)!
>>>> 
>>>> It can be done. It's up the individual. They can choose to be a victim,
>>>> or they can choose to persevere.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 9/28/2006 12:03:32 pm >>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>> Philip,
>>>> 
>>>> You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your
>>>> accomplishments
>>>> in the face of adversity and challenge.  But when you say:
>>>> 
>>>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>>>>>> 
>>>> something sticks in my craw.  Do you remember the civil rights struggle
>>>> in
>>>> the 60s?  Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was
>>>> given
>>>> ample opportunity then and if it's much better now.
>>>> 
>>>> Slim
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>    I am sort of white, Mediteranian.  My parents divorced when I was
>>>>> 
>>>> 10.  My
>>>> 
>>>>> dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what
>>>>> 
>>>> the
>>>> 
>>>>> court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no
>>>>> 
>>>> fishing
>>>> 
>>>>> trips, camping or anythnng like that.
>>>>>    My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult
>>>>> participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I
>>>>> 
>>>> mean
>>>> 
>>>>> retire).  He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I
>>>>> 
>>>> was on
>>>> 
>>>>> active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting).
>>>>> 
>>>> We put
>>>> 
>>>>> ourselves through college working the whole time.  I am in the Army
>>>>> 
>>>> (again)
>>>> 
>>>>> until I retire, then back to the civilian job.  I started out as a
>>>>> 
>>>> PVT 1 in
>>>> 
>>>>> the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army.  None of this
>>>>> 
>>>> would have
>>>> 
>>>>> been possible without an education.  An education I paid for working,
>>>>> 
>>>> student
>>>> 
>>>>> loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill.  My
>>>>> 
>>>> brother didn't
>>>> 
>>>>> have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself.
>>>>>    My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof
>>>>> 
>>>> (her
>>>> 
>>>>> house) and fed while finishing her B.S.
>>>>>    You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness).
>>>>> 
>>>> Make your
>>>> 
>>>>> choices and play it out.
>>>>>    I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of
>>>>> 
>>>> Dramatic Arts
>>>> 
>>>>> (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III).  My
>>>>> 
>>>> younger son
>>>> 
>>>>> is in private school.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Philip
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Phillip,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint
>>>>>> generated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call
>>>>>> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who
>>>>>> 
>>>> her
>>>> 
>>>>>> husband was.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got
>>>>>> married (12 years ago).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an
>>>>>> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were
>>>>>> 
>>>> grown.
>>>> 
>>>>>> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3
>>>>>> 
>>>> months
>>>> 
>>>>>> before their wedding.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to
>>>>>> 
>>>> improve
>>>> 
>>>>>> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in
>>>>>> 
>>>> a
>>>> 
>>>>>> white man's world.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, sure of it...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a
>>>>>> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of
>>>>>> 
>>>> us
>>>> 
>>>>>> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome,
>>>>>> 
>>>> rather,
>>>> 
>>>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Philip
>>>>>> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did
>>>>>> alright anyway!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>>> From: Slim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the first
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist,
>>>>>>> 
>>>> but
>>>> 
>>>>>>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are
>>>>>>> 
>>>> two
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly
>>>>>>> 
>>>> a
>>>> 
>>>>>> level
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> playing field.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> doesn't
>>>> 
>>>>>> mean I
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> mindset.
>>>> 
>>>>>> One area
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> unemployed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> success,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> words,
>>>> 
>>>>>> if you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> on
>>>> 
>>>>>> me or
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> anyone else.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> of my
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> my
>>>> 
>>>>>> wife
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> holding her hand over her heart.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> administration
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> and
>>>> 
>>>>>> pray for
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> English
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> should be banned within our borders.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> adhere to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> list!!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> hat" to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> of
>>>> 
>>>>>> mine
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about
>>>>>>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being
>>>>>>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> elle
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE
>>>>>>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the
>>>>>>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same,
>>>>>>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll
>>>>>>>>>>> know who ya' are...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to
>>>>>>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under
>>>>>>>>>>> God."
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never
>>>>>>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in
>>>>>>>>>>> public places.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say
>>>>>>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival."
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head
>>>>>>>>>>> when someone
>>>>>>>>>>> prays.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place
>>>>>>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National
>>>>>>>>>>> Anthem.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam
>>>>>>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned
>>>>>>>>>>> an American flag.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you
>>>>>>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter
>>>>>>>>>>> who is listening.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your
>>>>>>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last
>>>>>>>>>>> dollar to a friend.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe
>>>>>>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in
>>>>>>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in
>>>>>>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you
>>>>>>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way
>>>>>>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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