[Rhodes22-list] Wheels vs. Tillers
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sun Feb 18 12:27:24 EST 2007
L.
How many times have YOU single-handed an R-22 with a wheel?
To quote Rummy "GB gave you what you wanted, but I don't like it and I
would never, ever sail from that stern seat."
B.
elle wrote:
> Hey, Bill,
>
> How many times have you sailed an R-22 with a wheel??
>
> The wheel in the center moves you away from the
>
>> lines you must
>> manipulate. Now you can't properly single hand
>> anymore.
>>
>
> That's crap.
>
> elle
>
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Jb
>>
>> Forget the wheel. That will set you back even
>> farther.
>>
>> elle has special needs.
>>
>> The boat was designed for a tiller.
>>
>> The wheels look "sexy" but they're a pain to use.
>> The center location
>> is wrong. (Ever notice that the big racing boats
>> now have 2 wheels--one
>> on either side) -- they are mechanically complex,
>> you must be able to
>> see over them so you can't sit as low as you should
>> -- most of the time
>> you have to stand.
>>
>> The wheel in the center moves you away from the
>> lines you must
>> manipulate. Now you can't properly single hand
>> anymore.
>>
>> Tell your wife you'll learn to sail the boat so it
>> won't heel--but that
>> you need a tiller to do it.
>>
>> If you get even the slightest resistance, ask your
>> wife which way she
>> thinks she should turn the wheel to back up to
>> starboard. Please
>> understand, this is not a sexist question. I don't
>> know the answer
>> myself. What I do know is that if I get it wrong
>> with a tiller (which I
>> do roughly 50% of the time) I can immediately see
>> that I got it wrong
>> and flip the tiller to the other side. If I get it
>> wrong with a wheel,
>> it takes much longer to see my mistake and attempt
>> to correct it.
>> Pandemonium ensues if it turns out my boat was being
>> blown the wrong way
>> by the wind, and the rudder was properly set all
>> along.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> PS -- Try to change the subject lines whenever you
>> change the subject.
>> This makes it much easier for digest people to
>> follow the thread.
>>
>> JbTek wrote:
>>
>>> We went with the intention of going on a flotilla
>>>
>> on our own boat, (with a
>>
>>> captain) for a much needed learning experience.
>>> Somehow that fell thru, scheduling problem they
>>>
>> said. That trip was inteded
>>
>>> to expidite this whole adventure,
>>> I think it set me back.
>>>
>>> Jb
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Caribbean is one of my least favorite sailing
>>>>
>> places. It is often
>>
>>>> too windy for safe sailing of small boats by
>>>>
>> people who have seldom
>>
>>>> sailed before. The big boats need that much wind
>>>>
>> to ensure you can sail
>>
>>>> every day. Too many jerks who don't know what
>>>>
>> they are doing.
>>
>>>> An R-22 would be perfect for those waters, but
>>>>
>> the only boats available
>>
>>>> tend to be either bigger or smaller.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>> JbTek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My wife & I spent 5 days at Cub Colona in
>>>>>
>> Antigua. We got on a Hobiecat
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> capsize first thing outa the gate.
>>>>> I faced some fear that day.
>>>>> We did right the boat & sail back in but go out
>>>>>
>> much after that, it was
>>
>>>>> pretty windy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jb
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds here ..
>>>>>>
>> but I do have
>>
>>>>>> one unsolisited suggestion (don't you just hate
>>>>>>
>> advice when
>>
>>>>>> you don't ask fo it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest you rent a little dinghy or Sunfish
>>>>>>
>> at a nice
>>
>>>>>> lake somewhere. Then you and your first mate go
>>>>>>
>> out and
>>
>>>>>> practice capsizing. You gotta get wet once, so
>>>>>>
>> you don't
>>
>>>>>> let the fear make decisions for you with your
>>>>>>
>> own boat.
>>
>>>>>> The Rhodes may be unsinkable, but I believe
>>>>>>
>> Rummy has
>>
>>>>>> managed a knock down or two - and can give you
>>>>>>
>> the details.
>>
>>>>>> I was crew on a keel boat when the new skipper
>>>>>>
>> did a gybe a
>>
>>>>>> little too quickly in heavy air and managed to
>>>>>>
>> fill the
>>
>>>>>> cockpit about 1/2 way with very cold water!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife was a little scared at first, but got
>>>>>>
>> comfotable
>>
>>>>>> enough so she likes to go fast these days.
>>>>>>
>> She's the one
>>
>>>>>> that will "burry the rail" if given the chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Address the fear issues soon (read as practice,
>>>>>>
>> and take
>>
>>>>>> lessons), so you'll have enjoyable sailing for
>>>>>>
>> many more
>>
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just my $0.02 or is that .002 in Verizon
>>>>>>
>> money?
>>
>>>>>> --- JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>> I've only read about reefing. I've been
>>>>>>>
>> sailing 3 times,
>>
>>>>>>> 2 of those in very
>>>>>>> light wind. What got me hooked was one of
>>>>>>>
>> those times was
>>
>>>>>>> on a 47' Beneteau
>>>>>>> and they let me take the wheel just outside
>>>>>>>
>> San Diego
>>
>>>>>>> harbor. When we caught
>>>>>>> a gust of wind you could just feel the power
>>>>>>>
>> drive you
>>
>>>>>>> forward. We heeled
>>>>>>> over some & the wife got very nervous. I
>>>>>>>
>> couldn't tell
>>
>>>>>>> you if we were reefed
>>>>>>> or not. I can tell you I see the benefits of
>>>>>>>
>> IMF and I
>>
>>>>>>> believe she will
>>>>>>> insist on it.
>>>>>>> I know the R22 has lots of features, I
>>>>>>>
>> would want to
>>
>>>>>>> know if you could
>>>>>>> not have them all, which would take priority.
>>>>>>>
>> The obvious
>>
>>>>>>> from where I sit,
>>>>>>> IMF & the swivel chairs look comfortable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does a sail weigh? I think Rummy said the
>>>>>>>
>> mast only
>>
>>>>>>> weighs 16lbs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:10 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roller Reefing on
>>>>>>>
>> Rhodes
>>
>>>>>>> Continental?
>>>>>>> Luis?JayBulfer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luis and Jay:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One reason why Rhodes 22s are different is
>>>>>>>
>> that a certain
>>
>>>>>>> nautical engineer
>>>>>>> was always tinkering with the boats as they
>>>>>>>
>> were being
>>
>>>>>>> built. Could it be
>>>>>>> that in 1975 that elusive nautical innovator
>>>>>>>
>> was
>>
>>>>>>> experimenting on what was
>>>>>>> to become your boat with the known technology
>>>>>>>
>> of boom
>>
>>>>>>> roller reefing? Boom
>>>>>>> roller reefing does allow battens and weight
>>>>>>>
>> of sails is
>>
>>>>>>> maintained lower.
>>>>>>> Humm? Tinker, tinker at 4 AM?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>> Addendum for Jay if he is still here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> â?oReefing means reducing the area of a sail
>>>>>>>
>> without
>>
>>>>>>> actually changing it for
>>>>>>> a smaller sail. Ideally reefing does not only
>>>>>>>
>> result in a
>>
>>>>>>> reduced sail area
>>>>>>> but also in a lower center of effort from the
>>>>>>>
>> sails,
>>
>>>>>>> reducing the heeling
>>>>>>> moment and keeping the boat more upright.â??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> â?oIn-boom roller-reefingâ?? is accomplished
>>>>>>>
>> â?owith a
>>
>>>>>>> horizontal foil inside the
>>>>>>> boom. This method allows for standard- or
>>>>>>>
>> full-length
>>
>>>>>>> horizontal battens.â??
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But an earier version of boom reefing had the
>>>>>>>
>> whole boom
>>
>>>>>>> turn and wrap the
>>>>>>> sail on the outside of the boom. There were
>>>>>>>
>> wooden booms
>>
>>>>>>> that could do that.
>>>>>>> I would also point out that there are/were
>>>>>>>
>> rotating mast
>>
>>>>>>> to achieve reefing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> http://www.nabble.com/Roller-Reefing-on-Rhodes-Continental--Luis-Jay-Bulfer--tf3244499.html#a9019180
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
>>>>>>>
>> at
>>
>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
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