[Rhodes22-list] Wheels vs. Tillers
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sun Feb 18 08:13:22 EST 2007
Hey, Bill,
How many times have you sailed an R-22 with a wheel??
The wheel in the center moves you away from the
> lines you must
> manipulate. Now you can't properly single hand
> anymore.
That's crap.
elle
--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Jb
>
> Forget the wheel. That will set you back even
> farther.
>
> elle has special needs.
>
> The boat was designed for a tiller.
>
> The wheels look "sexy" but they're a pain to use.
> The center location
> is wrong. (Ever notice that the big racing boats
> now have 2 wheels--one
> on either side) -- they are mechanically complex,
> you must be able to
> see over them so you can't sit as low as you should
> -- most of the time
> you have to stand.
>
> The wheel in the center moves you away from the
> lines you must
> manipulate. Now you can't properly single hand
> anymore.
>
> Tell your wife you'll learn to sail the boat so it
> won't heel--but that
> you need a tiller to do it.
>
> If you get even the slightest resistance, ask your
> wife which way she
> thinks she should turn the wheel to back up to
> starboard. Please
> understand, this is not a sexist question. I don't
> know the answer
> myself. What I do know is that if I get it wrong
> with a tiller (which I
> do roughly 50% of the time) I can immediately see
> that I got it wrong
> and flip the tiller to the other side. If I get it
> wrong with a wheel,
> it takes much longer to see my mistake and attempt
> to correct it.
> Pandemonium ensues if it turns out my boat was being
> blown the wrong way
> by the wind, and the rudder was properly set all
> along.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> PS -- Try to change the subject lines whenever you
> change the subject.
> This makes it much easier for digest people to
> follow the thread.
>
> JbTek wrote:
> > We went with the intention of going on a flotilla
> on our own boat, (with a
> > captain) for a much needed learning experience.
> > Somehow that fell thru, scheduling problem they
> said. That trip was inteded
> > to expidite this whole adventure,
> > I think it set me back.
> >
> > Jb
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
> >
> >
> >
> >> The Caribbean is one of my least favorite sailing
> places. It is often
> >> too windy for safe sailing of small boats by
> people who have seldom
> >> sailed before. The big boats need that much wind
> to ensure you can sail
> >> every day. Too many jerks who don't know what
> they are doing.
> >>
> >> An R-22 would be perfect for those waters, but
> the only boats available
> >> tend to be either bigger or smaller.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >> JbTek wrote:
> >>
> >>> My wife & I spent 5 days at Cub Colona in
> Antigua. We got on a Hobiecat
> >>>
> > and
> >
> >>> capsize first thing outa the gate.
> >>> I faced some fear that day.
> >>> We did right the boat & sail back in but go out
> much after that, it was
> >>> pretty windy.
> >>>
> >>> Jb
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:40 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Jb
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds here ..
> but I do have
> >>>> one unsolisited suggestion (don't you just hate
> advice when
> >>>> you don't ask fo it).
> >>>>
> >>>> I suggest you rent a little dinghy or Sunfish
> at a nice
> >>>> lake somewhere. Then you and your first mate go
> out and
> >>>> practice capsizing. You gotta get wet once, so
> you don't
> >>>> let the fear make decisions for you with your
> own boat.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Rhodes may be unsinkable, but I believe
> Rummy has
> >>>> managed a knock down or two - and can give you
> the details.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was crew on a keel boat when the new skipper
> did a gybe a
> >>>> little too quickly in heavy air and managed to
> fill the
> >>>> cockpit about 1/2 way with very cold water!
> >>>>
> >>>> My wife was a little scared at first, but got
> comfotable
> >>>> enough so she likes to go fast these days.
> She's the one
> >>>> that will "burry the rail" if given the chance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Address the fear issues soon (read as practice,
> and take
> >>>> lessons), so you'll have enjoyable sailing for
> many more
> >>>> years.
> >>>>
> >>>> just my $0.02 or is that .002 in Verizon
> money?
> >>>>
> >>>> --- JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ed,
> >>>>> I've only read about reefing. I've been
> sailing 3 times,
> >>>>> 2 of those in very
> >>>>> light wind. What got me hooked was one of
> those times was
> >>>>> on a 47' Beneteau
> >>>>> and they let me take the wheel just outside
> San Diego
> >>>>> harbor. When we caught
> >>>>> a gust of wind you could just feel the power
> drive you
> >>>>> forward. We heeled
> >>>>> over some & the wife got very nervous. I
> couldn't tell
> >>>>> you if we were reefed
> >>>>> or not. I can tell you I see the benefits of
> IMF and I
> >>>>> believe she will
> >>>>> insist on it.
> >>>>> I know the R22 has lots of features, I
> would want to
> >>>>> know if you could
> >>>>> not have them all, which would take priority.
> The obvious
> >>>>> from where I sit,
> >>>>> IMF & the swivel chairs look comfortable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What does a sail weigh? I think Rummy said the
> mast only
> >>>>> weighs 16lbs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jb
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:10 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roller Reefing on
> Rhodes
> >>>>> Continental?
> >>>>> Luis?JayBulfer?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Luis and Jay:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One reason why Rhodes 22s are different is
> that a certain
> >>>>> nautical engineer
> >>>>> was always tinkering with the boats as they
> were being
> >>>>> built. Could it be
> >>>>> that in 1975 that elusive nautical innovator
> was
> >>>>> experimenting on what was
> >>>>> to become your boat with the known technology
> of boom
> >>>>> roller reefing? Boom
> >>>>> roller reefing does allow battens and weight
> of sails is
> >>>>> maintained lower.
> >>>>> Humm? Tinker, tinker at 4 AM?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ed K
> >>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>> Addendum for Jay if he is still here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> â?oReefing means reducing the area of a sail
> without
> >>>>> actually changing it for
> >>>>> a smaller sail. Ideally reefing does not only
> result in a
> >>>>> reduced sail area
> >>>>> but also in a lower center of effort from the
> sails,
> >>>>> reducing the heeling
> >>>>> moment and keeping the boat more upright.â??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> â?oIn-boom roller-reefingâ?? is accomplished
> â?owith a
> >>>>> horizontal foil inside the
> >>>>> boom. This method allows for standard- or
> full-length
> >>>>> horizontal battens.â??
> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But an earier version of boom reefing had the
> whole boom
> >>>>> turn and wrap the
> >>>>> sail on the outside of the boom. There were
> wooden booms
> >>>>> that could do that.
> >>>>> I would also point out that there are/were
> rotating mast
> >>>>> to achieve reefing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> View this message in context:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
>
http://www.nabble.com/Roller-Reefing-on-Rhodes-Continental--Luis-Jay-Bulfer--tf3244499.html#a9019180
> >
> >>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
> at
> >>>>> Nabble.com.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
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