[Rhodes22-list] Wheels vs. Tillers

Sun Feb 18 11:05:36 EST 2007

Jb

Forget the wheel.  That will set you back even farther.

elle has special needs.

The boat was designed for a tiller.

The wheels look "sexy" but they're a pain to use.  The center location 
is wrong.  (Ever notice that the big racing boats now have 2 wheels--one 
on either side) -- they are mechanically complex, you must be able to 
see over them so you can't sit as low as you should -- most of the time 
you have to stand.

The wheel in the center moves you away from the lines you must 
manipulate.  Now you can't properly single hand anymore.

Tell your wife you'll learn to sail the boat so it won't heel--but that 
you need a tiller to do it.

If you get even the slightest resistance, ask your wife which way she 
thinks she should turn the wheel to back up to starboard.  Please 
understand, this is not a sexist question.  I don't know the answer 
myself.  What I do know is that if I get it wrong with a tiller (which I 
do roughly 50% of the time) I can immediately see that I got it wrong 
and flip the tiller to the other side.  If I get it wrong with a wheel, 
it takes much longer to see my mistake and attempt to correct it.  
Pandemonium ensues if it turns out my boat was being blown the wrong way 
by the wind, and the rudder was properly set all along.

Bill Effros

PS -- Try to change the subject lines whenever you change the subject.  
This makes it much easier for digest people to follow the thread.

JbTek wrote:
> We went with the intention of going on a flotilla on our own boat, (with a
> captain) for a much needed learning experience.
> Somehow that fell thru, scheduling problem they said. That trip was inteded
> to expidite this whole adventure,
>  I think it set me back.
>
>     Jb
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
>
>
>   
>> The Caribbean is one of my least favorite sailing places.  It is often
>> too windy for safe sailing of small boats by people who have seldom
>> sailed before.  The big boats need that much wind to ensure you can sail
>> every day.  Too many jerks who don't know what they are doing.
>>
>> An R-22 would be perfect for those waters, but the only boats available
>> tend to be either bigger or smaller.
>>
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> JbTek wrote:
>>     
>>> My wife & I spent 5 days at Cub Colona in Antigua. We got on a Hobiecat
>>>       
> and
>   
>>> capsize first thing outa the gate.
>>> I faced some fear that day.
>>> We did right the boat & sail back in but go out much after that, it was
>>> pretty windy.
>>>
>>>     Jb
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi Jb
>>>>
>>>> I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds here .. but I do have
>>>> one unsolisited suggestion (don't you just hate advice when
>>>> you don't ask fo it).
>>>>
>>>> I suggest you rent a little dinghy or Sunfish at a nice
>>>> lake somewhere. Then you and your first mate go out and
>>>> practice capsizing.  You gotta get wet once, so you don't
>>>> let the fear make decisions for you with your own boat.
>>>>
>>>> The Rhodes may be unsinkable, but I believe Rummy has
>>>> managed a knock down or two - and can give you the details.
>>>>
>>>> I was crew on a keel boat when the new skipper did a gybe a
>>>> little too quickly in heavy air and managed to fill the
>>>> cockpit about 1/2 way with very cold water!
>>>>
>>>> My wife was a little scared at first, but got comfotable
>>>> enough so she likes to go fast these days. She's the one
>>>> that will "burry the rail" if given the chance.
>>>>
>>>> Address the fear issues soon (read as practice, and take
>>>> lessons), so you'll have enjoyable sailing for many more
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> just my $0.02  or is that .002 in Verizon money?
>>>>
>>>> --- JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>> I've only read about reefing. I've been sailing 3 times,
>>>>> 2 of those in very
>>>>> light wind. What got me hooked was one of those times was
>>>>> on a 47' Beneteau
>>>>> and they let me take the wheel just outside San Diego
>>>>> harbor. When we caught
>>>>> a gust of wind you could just feel the power drive you
>>>>> forward. We heeled
>>>>> over some & the wife got very nervous. I couldn't tell
>>>>> you if we were reefed
>>>>> or not. I can tell you I see the benefits of IMF and I
>>>>> believe she will
>>>>> insist on it.
>>>>>     I know the R22 has lots of features, I would want to
>>>>> know if you could
>>>>> not have them all, which would take priority. The obvious
>>>>> from where I sit,
>>>>> IMF & the swivel chairs look comfortable.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does a sail weigh? I think Rummy said the mast only
>>>>> weighs 16lbs.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Jb
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:10 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roller Reefing on Rhodes
>>>>> Continental?
>>>>> Luis?JayBulfer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Luis and Jay:
>>>>>
>>>>> One reason why Rhodes 22s are different is that a certain
>>>>> nautical engineer
>>>>> was always tinkering with the boats as they were being
>>>>> built.  Could it be
>>>>> that in 1975 that elusive nautical innovator was
>>>>> experimenting on what was
>>>>> to become your boat with the known technology of boom
>>>>> roller reefing?  Boom
>>>>> roller reefing does allow battens and weight of sails is
>>>>> maintained lower.
>>>>> Humm? Tinker, tinker at 4 AM?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>> Addendum for Jay if he is still here:
>>>>>
>>>>> â?oReefing means reducing the area of a sail without
>>>>> actually changing it for
>>>>> a smaller sail. Ideally reefing does not only result in a
>>>>> reduced sail area
>>>>> but also in a lower center of effort from the sails,
>>>>> reducing the heeling
>>>>> moment and keeping the boat more upright.â??
>>>>>
>>>>> â?oIn-boom roller-reefingâ?? is accomplished  â?owith a
>>>>> horizontal foil inside the
>>>>> boom. This method allows for standard- or full-length
>>>>> horizontal battens.â??
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing
>>>>>
>>>>> But an earier version of boom reefing had the whole boom
>>>>> turn and wrap the
>>>>> sail on the outside of the boom. There were wooden booms
>>>>> that could do that.
>>>>> I would also point out that there are/were rotating mast
>>>>> to achieve reefing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>
>>>>>
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