[Rhodes22-list] Sails

Tue Nov 13 13:19:38 EST 2007

Hank,

I wasn't sure what the sails were worth.  The 6oz and 5oz Dacron may be way 
underweight.  The quotation came with this introduction:

"Sail buying customers have been divided into two separate designations. 
Those who need and crave a wide variety of on the water service, and those 
who don't. Quite simply, Cruising Direct offers a high quality product to 
the sailors who don't need on the water service. The end result is a product 
that we are proud of and offers maximum value at a substantially lower cost. 
Cruising Direct Sails are designed and manufactured by North Sails using 
North NorDac 4800 premium Dacron. This premium polyester offers easy 
handling and long-term durability for cruisers, and solid performance for 
smaller racing boats."

I think that what they are saying is that many cruising folks wind up buying 
much more sail (and boat, maybe) than they need.  My feeling is that I would 
rather buy better product for the one time that I really require it 
(especially if safety may depend on it.)

Now, for the question of the day: What is the weight (quality) of the GB 
replacement sails?  This is what I meant in my statement "... North Sails 
Cruising Direct requires further investigation ..."

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 AM
> Mike,
>
> These sails are definitely not for Rummy.  Max apparent wind 23kts!  He'd
> blow them out in less than a year.  COme to think of it, so would I.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On 11/13/07, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hank,
>>
>> I was curious as to what North Sails was offering for so little so I 
>> asked
>> for a quotation.  They do add the leech and foot covering to the Genoa. 
>> I
>> do not know if it is Sunbrella or not but $1100 for a new suit of sails
>> (standard main & 150% Genoa) is definitely interesting.
>>
>> This is the basic quotation:
>>
>> CD NorDac Coastal Mainsail
>> Conditions: Standard Wind Conditions 6oz 4800 Dacron 91 sq. ft. Base:
>> $   461
>>
>> CD NorDac Genoa
>> LP Measurement: 150 %
>> Max Apparent Wind: 23 Knots 5oz 4800 Dacron 168 sq. ft. Base:
>> $   562
>> UV Leech and Foot
>> $     84
>>
>> Total Price: USD
>> $1,107
>>
>> While I do not know what Stan is charging for sails and advice, North
>> Sails
>> Cruising Direct requires further investigation for those who may be in 
>> the
>> market for new sails.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>       Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:02 AM
>> > Michael,
>> >
>> > Sails are very susceptible to damage from the sun.  It basically eats
>> the
>> > fabric and causes it to fall to pieces.  To protect this, roller 
>> > furling
>> > sails have a layer of sunbrella fabric sown in the bottom and back edge
>> so
>> > that this is exposed when the sail is furled.  This fabric is more 
>> > resit
>> > ant
>> > to the sun and cheaper to replace once it eventually goes bad.  A lot 
>> > of
>> > boats have this as a different color.  Look at the boat at the top of
>> the
>> > page at http://www.rhodes22.com.  You will notice the edges of the 
>> > genny
>> > are
>> > darker.  This is the sunbrella sacrificial.  Because the main is 
>> > furling
>> > and
>> > a piece of it remains outside of the mast, the triangle at the clew 
>> > also
>> > has
>> > this fabric.
>> >
>> > You need to make sure that all of this was discussed when you quoted
>> your
>> > sail price.  It definitely adds to the price of the sail.
>> >
>> > Hank
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/13/07, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hey Art,
>> >>
>> >> I don't know what you're asking. Can you explain?
>> >> I have an IMF if that helps...
>> >>
>> >> Michael
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Michael,
>> >> > Did they quote with sacrificial cloth on the genny and on the end of
>> >> > the
>> >> > main?  Did you specify the main with batten?
>> >> > Art
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>From: MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Sent: Nov 12, 2007 6:18 PM
>> >> >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sails
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Thanks Hank....I suppose the only way for me to find out is to
>> >> physically
>> >> >>inspect the condition and if no repairs are needed then she goes to
>> >> >>Sail
>> >> >>Care. Otherwise for $875 a new North Sail is the choice to go with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Michael
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Hank-5 wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Michael,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> A word of caution with Sailcare.  they do a great job, but my $200
>> >> quote
>> >> >>> went to $750 with recommended sail repairs and sunbrella
>> >> >>> replacements.
>> >> >>> If
>> >> >>> your sails are in great condition, then Sailcare is probably a 
>> >> >>> good
>> >> >>> deal.
>> >> >>> If not, you may want to consider the new ones.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hank
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2007 3:31 PM, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I just got a quote from Cruising Direct. $875 for both the IMF
>> main
>> >> >>>> sail
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> CDi furling jib.
>> >> >>>> 6 week lead time. Otherwise 10-12 weeks in the spring time. 
>> >> >>>> Dacron
>> >> >>>> material
>> >> >>>> and made reference that these are North Sails. Alternatively I
>> also
>> >> got
>> >> >>>> a
>> >> >>>> quote from Sailcare for sail cleaning for $204 for both sails. 
>> >> >>>> I'm
>> >> >>>> debating
>> >> >>>> what to do as the sails are 10 years old.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Michael
>> >> >>>> Silverside 87'
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Yes Virginia, this really is about sailboats and sailing.  Has
>> >> anyone
>> >> >>>> done
>> >> >>>> > business with FX Sails?  I think this is the former AirForce
>> Sails
>> >> of
>> >> >>>> > SailNet fame.  SailNet is back in business.  Has anyone done
>> >> business
>> >> >>>> with
>> >> >>>> > them lately?  FX has a 10% off sale on sails and they were
>> already
>> >> >>>> $1000
>> >> >>>> > below the only quote I've gotten so far on the mainsail
>> >> replacement.
>> >> >>>>  Any
>> >> >>>> > experience?
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Brad
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