[Rhodes22-list] Sails

Hank hnw555 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 13 14:59:00 EST 2007 

BTW, Sailcare just announced their annual 15% discount for any work sent to
them prior to Dec 15th.  So if you are thinking of using them, get it in
now.

Hank


On 11/13/07, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> Hank,
>
> I wasn't sure what the sails were worth.  The 6oz and 5oz Dacron may be
> way
> underweight.  The quotation came with this introduction:
>
> "Sail buying customers have been divided into two separate designations.
> Those who need and crave a wide variety of on the water service, and those
> who don't. Quite simply, Cruising Direct offers a high quality product to
> the sailors who don't need on the water service. The end result is a
> product
> that we are proud of and offers maximum value at a substantially lower
> cost.
> Cruising Direct Sails are designed and manufactured by North Sails using
> North NorDac 4800 premium Dacron. This premium polyester offers easy
> handling and long-term durability for cruisers, and solid performance for
> smaller racing boats."
>
> I think that what they are saying is that many cruising folks wind up
> buying
> much more sail (and boat, maybe) than they need.  My feeling is that I
> would
> rather buy better product for the one time that I really require it
> (especially if safety may depend on it.)
>
> Now, for the question of the day: What is the weight (quality) of the GB
> replacement sails?  This is what I meant in my statement "... North Sails
> Cruising Direct requires further investigation ..."
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 AM
> > Mike,
> >
> > These sails are definitely not for Rummy.  Max apparent wind
> 23kts!  He'd
> > blow them out in less than a year.  COme to think of it, so would I.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> >
> > On 11/13/07, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hank,
> >>
> >> I was curious as to what North Sails was offering for so little so I
> >> asked
> >> for a quotation.  They do add the leech and foot covering to the Genoa.
> >> I
> >> do not know if it is Sunbrella or not but $1100 for a new suit of sails
> >> (standard main & 150% Genoa) is definitely interesting.
> >>
> >> This is the basic quotation:
> >>
> >> CD NorDac Coastal Mainsail
> >> Conditions: Standard Wind Conditions 6oz 4800 Dacron 91 sq. ft. Base:
> >> $   461
> >>
> >> CD NorDac Genoa
> >> LP Measurement: 150 %
> >> Max Apparent Wind: 23 Knots 5oz 4800 Dacron 168 sq. ft. Base:
> >> $   562
> >> UV Leech and Foot
> >> $     84
> >>
> >> Total Price: USD
> >> $1,107
> >>
> >> While I do not know what Stan is charging for sails and advice, North
> >> Sails
> >> Cruising Direct requires further investigation for those who may be in
> >> the
> >> market for new sails.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >>       Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:02 AM
> >> > Michael,
> >> >
> >> > Sails are very susceptible to damage from the sun.  It basically eats
> >> the
> >> > fabric and causes it to fall to pieces.  To protect this, roller
> >> > furling
> >> > sails have a layer of sunbrella fabric sown in the bottom and back
> edge
> >> so
> >> > that this is exposed when the sail is furled.  This fabric is more
> >> > resit
> >> > ant
> >> > to the sun and cheaper to replace once it eventually goes bad.  A lot
> >> > of
> >> > boats have this as a different color.  Look at the boat at the top of
> >> the
> >> > page at http://www.rhodes22.com.  You will notice the edges of the
> >> > genny
> >> > are
> >> > darker.  This is the sunbrella sacrificial.  Because the main is
> >> > furling
> >> > and
> >> > a piece of it remains outside of the mast, the triangle at the clew
> >> > also
> >> > has
> >> > this fabric.
> >> >
> >> > You need to make sure that all of this was discussed when you quoted
> >> your
> >> > sail price.  It definitely adds to the price of the sail.
> >> >
> >> > Hank
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 11/13/07, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Art,
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know what you're asking. Can you explain?
> >> >> I have an IMF if that helps...
> >> >>
> >> >> Michael
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Michael,
> >> >> > Did they quote with sacrificial cloth on the genny and on the end
> of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > main?  Did you specify the main with batten?
> >> >> > Art
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >>From: MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
> >> >> >>Sent: Nov 12, 2007 6:18 PM
> >> >> >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sails
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Thanks Hank....I suppose the only way for me to find out is to
> >> >> physically
> >> >> >>inspect the condition and if no repairs are needed then she goes
> to
> >> >> >>Sail
> >> >> >>Care. Otherwise for $875 a new North Sail is the choice to go
> with.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Michael
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Hank-5 wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Michael,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> A word of caution with Sailcare.  they do a great job, but my
> $200
> >> >> quote
> >> >> >>> went to $750 with recommended sail repairs and sunbrella
> >> >> >>> replacements.
> >> >> >>> If
> >> >> >>> your sails are in great condition, then Sailcare is probably a
> >> >> >>> good
> >> >> >>> deal.
> >> >> >>> If not, you may want to consider the new ones.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Hank
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2007 3:31 PM, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I just got a quote from Cruising Direct. $875 for both the IMF
> >> main
> >> >> >>>> sail
> >> >> >>>> and
> >> >> >>>> CDi furling jib.
> >> >> >>>> 6 week lead time. Otherwise 10-12 weeks in the spring time.
> >> >> >>>> Dacron
> >> >> >>>> material
> >> >> >>>> and made reference that these are North Sails. Alternatively I
> >> also
> >> >> got
> >> >> >>>> a
> >> >> >>>> quote from Sailcare for sail cleaning for $204 for both sails.
> >> >> >>>> I'm
> >> >> >>>> debating
> >> >> >>>> what to do as the sails are 10 years old.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Michael
> >> >> >>>> Silverside 87'
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> > Yes Virginia, this really is about sailboats and
> sailing.  Has
> >> >> anyone
> >> >> >>>> done
> >> >> >>>> > business with FX Sails?  I think this is the former AirForce
> >> Sails
> >> >> of
> >> >> >>>> > SailNet fame.  SailNet is back in business.  Has anyone done
> >> >> business
> >> >> >>>> with
> >> >> >>>> > them lately?  FX has a 10% off sale on sails and they were
> >> already
> >> >> >>>> $1000
> >> >> >>>> > below the only quote I've gotten so far on the mainsail
> >> >> replacement.
> >> >> >>>>  Any
> >> >> >>>> > experience?
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> > Brad
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