[Rhodes22-list] Sails

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Tue Nov 13 20:20:50 EST 2007 

Hank,

I sent the sails of my R-22 to Sailcare and they came back as clean and
crisp as a freshly starched shirt.  But then again, they were in pretty good
shape when I sent them there.  The mainsail on my S2 needed a few hundred
dollars of repairs and came back wrinkled and dingy, just like it was in the
beginning.  Sailcare is a good company and they do good work, but they can
only work with what you send them.  I don't know what the price beta on a
General Boat sourced sail is versus an outsourced sail but I doubt it is
enough to warrant the hassle - I'm guessing less than $200.  Hell, it's
worth that just to get a chance to converse with Stan.

Brad

On Nov 13, 2007 1:59 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, Sailcare just announced their annual 15% discount for any work sent
> to
> them prior to Dec 15th.  So if you are thinking of using them, get it in
> now.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On 11/13/07, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hank,
> >
> > I wasn't sure what the sails were worth.  The 6oz and 5oz Dacron may be
> > way
> > underweight.  The quotation came with this introduction:
> >
> > "Sail buying customers have been divided into two separate designations.
> > Those who need and crave a wide variety of on the water service, and
> those
> > who don't. Quite simply, Cruising Direct offers a high quality product
> to
> > the sailors who don't need on the water service. The end result is a
> > product
> > that we are proud of and offers maximum value at a substantially lower
> > cost.
> > Cruising Direct Sails are designed and manufactured by North Sails using
> > North NorDac 4800 premium Dacron. This premium polyester offers easy
> > handling and long-term durability for cruisers, and solid performance
> for
> > smaller racing boats."
> >
> > I think that what they are saying is that many cruising folks wind up
> > buying
> > much more sail (and boat, maybe) than they need.  My feeling is that I
> > would
> > rather buy better product for the one time that I really require it
> > (especially if safety may depend on it.)
> >
> > Now, for the question of the day: What is the weight (quality) of the GB
> > replacement sails?  This is what I meant in my statement "... North
> Sails
> > Cruising Direct requires further investigation ..."
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 AM
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > These sails are definitely not for Rummy.  Max apparent wind
> > 23kts!  He'd
> > > blow them out in less than a year.  COme to think of it, so would I.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/13/07, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hank,
> > >>
> > >> I was curious as to what North Sails was offering for so little so I
> > >> asked
> > >> for a quotation.  They do add the leech and foot covering to the
> Genoa.
> > >> I
> > >> do not know if it is Sunbrella or not but $1100 for a new suit of
> sails
> > >> (standard main & 150% Genoa) is definitely interesting.
> > >>
> > >> This is the basic quotation:
> > >>
> > >> CD NorDac Coastal Mainsail
> > >> Conditions: Standard Wind Conditions 6oz 4800 Dacron 91 sq. ft. Base:
> > >> $   461
> > >>
> > >> CD NorDac Genoa
> > >> LP Measurement: 150 %
> > >> Max Apparent Wind: 23 Knots 5oz 4800 Dacron 168 sq. ft. Base:
> > >> $   562
> > >> UV Leech and Foot
> > >> $     84
> > >>
> > >> Total Price: USD
> > >> $1,107
> > >>
> > >> While I do not know what Stan is charging for sails and advice, North
> > >> Sails
> > >> Cruising Direct requires further investigation for those who may be
> in
> > >> the
> > >> market for new sails.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> > >>       Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>
> > >> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com> Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:02 AM
> > >> > Michael,
> > >> >
> > >> > Sails are very susceptible to damage from the sun.  It basically
> eats
> > >> the
> > >> > fabric and causes it to fall to pieces.  To protect this, roller
> > >> > furling
> > >> > sails have a layer of sunbrella fabric sown in the bottom and back
> > edge
> > >> so
> > >> > that this is exposed when the sail is furled.  This fabric is more
> > >> > resit
> > >> > ant
> > >> > to the sun and cheaper to replace once it eventually goes bad.  A
> lot
> > >> > of
> > >> > boats have this as a different color.  Look at the boat at the top
> of
> > >> the
> > >> > page at http://www.rhodes22.com.  You will notice the edges of the
> > >> > genny
> > >> > are
> > >> > darker.  This is the sunbrella sacrificial.  Because the main is
> > >> > furling
> > >> > and
> > >> > a piece of it remains outside of the mast, the triangle at the clew
> > >> > also
> > >> > has
> > >> > this fabric.
> > >> >
> > >> > You need to make sure that all of this was discussed when you
> quoted
> > >> your
> > >> > sail price.  It definitely adds to the price of the sail.
> > >> >
> > >> > Hank
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 11/13/07, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hey Art,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I don't know what you're asking. Can you explain?
> > >> >> I have an IMF if that helps...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Michael
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Michael,
> > >> >> > Did they quote with sacrificial cloth on the genny and on the
> end
> > of
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > main?  Did you specify the main with batten?
> > >> >> > Art
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> >>From: MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
> > >> >> >>Sent: Nov 12, 2007 6:18 PM
> > >> >> >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sails
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Thanks Hank....I suppose the only way for me to find out is to
> > >> >> physically
> > >> >> >>inspect the condition and if no repairs are needed then she goes
> > to
> > >> >> >>Sail
> > >> >> >>Care. Otherwise for $875 a new North Sail is the choice to go
> > with.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Michael
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Hank-5 wrote:
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Michael,
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> A word of caution with Sailcare.  they do a great job, but my
> > $200
> > >> >> quote
> > >> >> >>> went to $750 with recommended sail repairs and sunbrella
> > >> >> >>> replacements.
> > >> >> >>> If
> > >> >> >>> your sails are in great condition, then Sailcare is probably a
> > >> >> >>> good
> > >> >> >>> deal.
> > >> >> >>> If not, you may want to consider the new ones.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Hank
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2007 3:31 PM, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> I just got a quote from Cruising Direct. $875 for both the
> IMF
> > >> main
> > >> >> >>>> sail
> > >> >> >>>> and
> > >> >> >>>> CDi furling jib.
> > >> >> >>>> 6 week lead time. Otherwise 10-12 weeks in the spring time.
> > >> >> >>>> Dacron
> > >> >> >>>> material
> > >> >> >>>> and made reference that these are North Sails. Alternatively
> I
> > >> also
> > >> >> got
> > >> >> >>>> a
> > >> >> >>>> quote from Sailcare for sail cleaning for $204 for both
> sails.
> > >> >> >>>> I'm
> > >> >> >>>> debating
> > >> >> >>>> what to do as the sails are 10 years old.
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> Michael
> > >> >> >>>> Silverside 87'
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> > Yes Virginia, this really is about sailboats and
> > sailing.  Has
> > >> >> anyone
> > >> >> >>>> done
> > >> >> >>>> > business with FX Sails?  I think this is the former
> AirForce
> > >> Sails
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> >>>> > SailNet fame.  SailNet is back in business.  Has anyone
> done
> > >> >> business
> > >> >> >>>> with
> > >> >> >>>> > them lately?  FX has a 10% off sale on sails and they were
> > >> already
> > >> >> >>>> $1000
> > >> >> >>>> > below the only quote I've gotten so far on the mainsail
> > >> >> replacement.
> > >> >> >>>>  Any
> > >> >> >>>> > experience?
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> > Brad
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