[Rhodes22-list] repowering Fretless

[Lou Rosenberg]

Bob

thanks for your ideas and what you have done.
Let me say that I like Mary Lou's  approach with the table mount,  
although I would raise my remote higher to be right under the tiller.

I would also want to see if I can use video/ film aluminum mounting  
hardware to create a swing away arm that would fold under my port  
seat and mount that rig about 2 ft aft of the cabin.  I work as a  
videographer and there is so much aluminum mounting hardware  
available which can be utilized for a custom mount.    It may work,  
but I have  to do first things first.

I have to sand off all my old and new (wasted a gal of Trinidad  
SR ..ouch!) and epoxy and barrier coat this 1981 hull that had been  
abused.
Not all my fault.  I had an associate surveyor look at the hull in 05  
and told me it looked ok , just paint it.

The top of my boat is almost all ready for its first sail, and I do  
want a remote for my motor as the 6hp Tohatsu sits a bit low using my  
new Garelick 4stk mount.

I have the manual start only with alternator for charging.  I m  
hoping it works as delivered as there is a SAILNET discussion about  
this motor which is very interesting.  more later

thanks
Lou





On Oct 4, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Bob-Leslie Fletcher wrote:

> Lou,
>
> I have a 9.9 four stroke Tohatsu with Tohatsu remote controls.  A  
> little
> larger than yours but I suspect the control configuration is the same.
>
> I first did a "trial" mounting by hose clamping a board on the port  
> gunwale
> between the stern rail and the aft cleat, then side mounting the  
> control on
> the board.
>
> Pros:  Very intuitive, not in the way of seats.
>
> Cons:  A really clean installation would require building and bolting
> through the gunwale a metal mounting bracket, and then drilling  
> another hole
> in gunwale to route cables.  Also, can only use from port side of  
> boat; it
> looks a little "motorboatish" for my taste and mounting position is  
> really
> critical to avoid interference with captain's chair.
>
> I decided against holes in the boat so instead mounted the control  
> on the
> front of the lazaretto, with a spacing block that also adds rigidity.
> Cables run to port seat then into transom through space already  
> there, then
> through gasoline boot in the transom to the motor.
>
> Pros:  Very clean and unobtrusive; easily reachable from port or  
> starboard
> seat; can even be "fine tuned" with foot from captain's chairs;  
> There is
> plenty of room for some "slack" in the cables where they run under  
> the port
> seat and that accommodates changes in the "effective" cable length  
> when I
> raise the motor or turn it side to side.
>
> Cons:  Not quite as intuitive as a gunwale mount
>
> With either of the above systems the first cable bend out of the  
> motor is
> very tight.  When I switched to the transom mount I needed a  
> different cable
> length and went with the "premium" version.  I think that's probably
> necessary.  For some reason those cables were much more affordable  
> from
> Defender than other sources.
>
> ALTERNATIVES:
> Tiller Tamer  - Has been mentioned here before.  You'll easily find  
> the web
> site.  It's an after market tiller mounted control.  I first  
> dismissed it
> because of interference with Stan's standard top mounted tiller  
> extension
> but later realized you could remount the tiller extension on the  
> bottom of
> the tiller.  (That would require a stronger retaining clamp but the  
> original
> will break soon anyway and a standard garden tool spring clamp  
> hanger seems
> to work well as a replacement.)
>
> Mercury "lightweight" motor - I chose the Tohatsu because of the 20 
> + pound
> weight savings over Yamaha and Honda and factory remote control.  I  
> later
> learned, however, that Mercury markets a Mercury branded Tohatsu  
> with one
> significant difference... the Merc. has that company's  
> (proprietary?) tiller
> handle with built in reverse/forward and throttle controls.  The  
> advantage
> is that you could fairly conveniently control forward/reverse,  
> throttle and
> direction from a single 'location" without a remote set-up.
>
> I have found times when I would have been much better off being  
> able to
> "steer" with the motor and not the rudder.  With a "turnable" motor  
> you
> don't need headway to steer as with a fixed motor position and tiller.
>
> If I had known about the Mercury earlier I might have skipped the  
> remote
> control for simplicity and cost savings.  As it is, one of my winter
> projects is to fabricate a foldable "arm" going from the motor up  
> over the
> transom so I can steer using the motor with the rudder up.
>
> While I'm on the Tohatsu... one quirk I noticed is that although it is
> theoretically manually startable with a recoil starter, there is no
> "external" choke.  The choke is activated by a solenoid controlled  
> from the
> ignition switch, so if the battery or solenoid dies, you can't start
> manually without removing the cover and holding the choke lever open.
> However....  I think I can run a cable from the choke control lever  
> through
> the front of the motor by the starter handle with so you could  
> easily start
> manually. Another winter project...
>
> I'll be curious what you decide
>
> Bob Fletcher
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lou Rosenberg" <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] repowering Fretless
>
>
>> Joe
>>  I am the project boat contingent of this list, currently stripping
>> off paint on my hull and barrier coating it hopefully soon.
>>  I have a new  (4Strk) Tohatsu 6hp and bought the T handle remote
>> for it which I intend to mount on my port side seat edge.  I am going
>> to run the cables under seat then into the Laz where I have not
>> replaced my portside U bolt since painting the topsides last July.
>> The purpose is use those holes for the cables.
>> Just wondering if anyone has done anything like this on the Rhodes
>> for remote control of an outboard?
>>
>> Lou
>> s/v Miracles
>>
>>
>>> Hello Mary Lou,
>>> I am very interested in what you think about the Yamaha T8 as  
>>> that is
>>> the one I had been thinking about for our recycled Rhodes we are
>>> getting
>>> next spring.  I am also interested in your remote control
>>> installation.
>>> Where have you located your controls and are you happy with their
>>> location?  Stan has told us that unfortunately Yamaha chose not to
>>> continue with the remote tiller controls that he has been  
>>> mounting on
>>> the Rhodes tiller.  So We are considering the "standard" remote
>>> control
>>> units like the one we have on our fishing boat which is a T handle
>>> affair that shifts forward or reverse and controls the speed as
>>> well as
>>> having the key ignition switch.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Joe
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