[Rhodes22-list] Mid-air collision (News)

[Brad Haslett]

Mike,

Thanks for the report.  That would call for a change of underwear!  I
listened to the ATC tapes you linked as well.  A lot of times when I fly my
Bonanza to the gulf I run silent the whole way just because it is so
relaxing.  I may need to rethink that program.

Brad

On 10/25/07, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> The following story was featured in the local LI paper, Newsday (and all
> of the news services.)
> http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-liplan1022,0,1982244.story
>
> Looking at the pix,
>
> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/10/22/planes.collide.in.midair.news12longisland,
> it seems unbelievable that nobody was injured in the air or on the ground.
>
> A few more details at
> http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php?topic=3774.msg21511
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> Two small planes collide over LI, nobody injured
>   BY STEVE RITEA AND CHRISTINE ARMARIO | steve.ritea at newsday.com
>   christine.armario at newsday.com 9:09 PM EDT, October 21, 2007
> Two single-engine planes landed safely after "bumping" each other about
> five miles outside Republic Airport in Farmingdale early Sunday evening,
> officials said, causing no injuries but dropping a small piece of debris in
> Dix Hills.
>
> It was around 6:15 p.m. that a Piper Saratoga and a Cessna 152 collided,
> said airport director Michael Geiger. The Saratoga lost about 8 to 12 inches
> off the tip of its wing, said Gary Lewi, an airport spokesman who
> characterized the collision as a midair bump. A fuel tank inside that wing
> was punctured, Lewi said.
>
> The damaged section of the Saratoga's wing is called the aileron, which
> helps the plane turn, Geiger said.
> The Saratoga was registered to Sidhu Karmendra of Locust Valley, who said
> he was the pilot but declined to comment. The Cessna was registered to AADH
> Inc. of Wilmington, Del., according to the Federal Aviation Administration.
> The pilot's name was not available.
>
> The Cessna had damage to its windshield and wing, Lewi said.
>
> One passenger was flying with Karmendra in the Saratoga, Geiger said, and
> the Cessna pilot did not have any passengers.
>
> Both planes took off earlier in the day from Republic, where they are
> based, and were headed back there when the bump occurred, Lewi said.
>
> Lewi said Karmendra reported he was "totally in control all the way" back
> to the airport, where emergency crews met the flights and sprayed foam on
> some leaked fuel from the Saratoga.
>
> The airport's operations were not shut down as both planes landed on one
> of Republic's two runways, Lewi said.
>
> Dix Hills Fire Chief Larry Feld said a 4- or 5-pound landing light was
> found in the front yard of a home still under construction in the Stoneridge
> Estates development. No injuries were reported there, he said, and
> authorities were searching for other aircraft debris.
>
> Geiger said he was unsure whether either pilot had been in contact with
> the control tower at the airport.
>
> Arlene Salac, a spokeswoman for the FAA, said both planes were flying
> under "visual flight rules," which means pilots rely primarily on their
> sight when flying and are not required to file flight plans.
>
> Salac said the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board were
> investigating the collision.
>
>
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com> Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:47
> PM
> > Slim,
> >
> > Much too do about nothing!  NASA has had a reporting process for years
> where
> > pilots could anonymously report problems without fear of certificate
> action.
> > I've use it several times.  This telephone poll was no different. Really
> > serious problems get run up the flag pole at the union level.  If you
> want
> > to worry about something, worry about all the things the TSA hides that
> > we're powerless to do anything about.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On 10/25/07, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> You probably saw the report this week from NASA about all the safety
> >> concerns that apparently are much worse than the public knows.  So much
> so
> >> that they refused to release the info for fear of panicking the public
> and
> >> costing the airlines gobs of money in lost revenue.  Some one privy to
> the
> >> report sited many more bird strikes, more near miss mid-air collisions,
> >> more
> >> near miss ground collisions, etc.  They collected most of the data
> >> interviewing pilots.  Have you found this to be the case?  Frequent
> fliers
> >> want to know.
> >>
> >> Slim
> >>
> >> On 10/25/07, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hank,
> >> >
> >> > They keep the engines spooled.  If you notice, they were flying at
> flaps
> >> > 22
> >> > to keep the speed down.  Anything more than 22 the jet automatically
> >> > retracts the flaps to keep from overstressing them and you get a
> >> constant
> >> > horn without the gear down.  I'm guessing they're doing about 150
> knots
> >> at
> >> > the dump. Not only is FOD a problem but I wonder how much engine life
> >> they
> >> > get running all that soot through the compressor section.  We were on
> >> > break
> >> > when I met them so we only got to visit for about 15 minutes.  They
> were
> >> > an
> >> > interesting bunch.  I'm happy to stick with moving rubber dogshit
> from
> >> > point
> >> > A to point B.
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> > On 10/25/07, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Brad,
> >> > >
> >> > > That is insane!  With the jet engine power lag, I would think that
> >> would
> >> > > be
> >> > > an extremely dangerous way to make a living!  What about FOD
> flaming
> >> out
> >> > > the
> >> > > engines?  Is that a risk?
> >> > >
> >> > > Hank
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 10/25/07, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I met these guys last year while teaching in our old DC-10 sim in
> >> > Miami.
> >> > > > They're nuts!  Brad
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a7_1193165376
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