[Rhodes22-list] Business Plan

stan stan at rhodes22.com
Tue Apr 1 11:45:33 EDT 2008


Well we did get one out of two right - not bad for a half wit.

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Business Plan


> Stan,
>
> I am surprised at YOUR lack of imagination.  Just bundle the COST of the
> optional equipment into the standard price and you can afford to give away
> the optional equipment (although you will not pocket the markup.)  This is 
> a
> tried and true practice in many niche product industries.  The trick is to
> provide a product without equal, so that your market must buy from you (I
> think that this is already established for GBI.)  Then, all it takes is a
> really good salesman (and banker) to enable the customer to buy it.  You
> have already tried the alternative process - to sell for years at a loss 
> or
> small profit until most of your competitors go out of business.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:08 AM
>> and I would be a buyer instead of a seller
>>
>> but your creativity does qualify you to work for GBI
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electronics
>>
>>
>>> Stan,
>>> Here's a better solution, just give all the optional equipment away 
>>> free.
>>> That certainly would make the R22 a better value.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 4/1/2008 8:07:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> stan at rhodes22.com writes:
>>>
>>> In  defense of GB's stance on options - Rose will tell you I am never
>>> wrong
>>> (or at least that I never admit I am wrong)
>>>
>>> You have to understand  the options position from the selling side of 
>>> the
>>> field.  Buyers come  to us with budgets.  Perhaps they do not expect us
>>> to
>>> take them  seriously but we do.  If you can afford the best way to go
>>> with
>>> everything, we are for it.  What we have to avoid, for the well being 
>>> of
>>> both buyer and seller, is the buyer wanting everything and pricing him
>>> or
>>> herself out of being able to afford a Rhodes, costing GB a sale and the
>>> List
>>> a new member; a lose, lose, lose option.
>>>
>>> ss, op (optional  salesman)
>>>
>>> all apologies accepted
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tom Bickerstaff" <tabick at mchsi.com>
>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22  mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008  5:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electronics
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks,  PT
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Thorn
>>>>  Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:25 PM
>>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail  list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Electronics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Three years ago an experienced  delivery Captain and his young crew
>>>> perished
>>>> in the Neuse  River while delivering a new 35' boat to the Miami boat
>>>> show.
>>>> The  Coast Guard station at Cherry Point was only 5 miles away, but all
>>>>  they
>>>> had on board was a hand-held VHF.  The investigation  afterwards
>>>> revealed
>>>> the
>>>> Coast Guard could not hear the weaker  signal from their hand-held VHF
>>>> to
>>>> pin
>>>> point their  location.  Had they a fixed mount VHF with a (higher) mast
>>>>  mounted antenna, they might be alive today.
>>>>
>>>> Tom, I would  rethink that built-in antenna.
>>>>
>>>> PT
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>>>>  Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:02 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail  list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electronics
>>>>
>>>>  Tom,
>>>> I am one of the people that disagrees with Stan and Lee on the  VHF.
>>>> It may depend somewhat on your situation. We sail on the  Chesapeake
>>>> where there are a lot of other boaters. If some issues a  Mayday, a
>>>> Pan-pan or Securite call they do that over VHF. If you need  to issue
>>>> a Mayday and you call the Coast Guard on your cell phone they  will
>>>> hear you but other boaters in the area (who may be much closer  than
>>>> the CG) will not. You may not need to deal with bridges or  commercial
>>>> shipping. We do and I find it easier to call a bridge  tender on VHF.
>>>> You can call them on the phone but you need to have a  separate number
>>>> for each bridge. You generally cannot contact the  bridge of a
>>>> commerical vessel by cell but you can with VHF. A handheld  will work.
>>>> We used one for years before adding the masthead antenna  because we
>>>> liked the added range - particularly for picking up  messages from
>>>> other people with handhelds. And as Lee said you can use  it for
>>>> weather forecasts. That said if we are on the Bay on a busy  weekend,
>>>> the radio is usually off unless we need it. There is just too  much
>>>> traffic.
>>>>
>>>> We use a transom mount type fishfinder  for depth (not permanently
>>>> mounted) and a bulkhead compass mounted on  a board in the
>>>> companionway. We seem to have have an unreasonable  aversion to
>>>> cutting holes in the boat.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>  Mary Lou
>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>> Rock Hall,  MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 02:26 PM 3/31/2008, you  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>>I might want to take you  up on sailing the Big Assawoman.  The
>>>>>invitation
>>>>  is
>>>>>also open for Kent Island if you want to get some Rhodes sailing 
>>>>>before
>>>> your
>>>>>boat arrives.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lost of  people will disagree, but I'd take Stan's advice on the VHF. 
>>>>>I
>>>>  have
>>>>>a cheap handheld and only use it for weather forecasts.   Once I used 
>>>>>it
>>>>>to
>>>>>call the Coast Guard and they told me to call  back on my cell phone.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding your questions, I  posted this about a year ago:
>>>>>
>>>>>"I had Stan install a  Plastismo Contest 101 in my portside bulkhead.
>>>>>West
>>>>>Marine's  list price is $215, but they'll normally match any Internet
>>>>>price
>>>>>you can find.  I think they sold it to me for about $135  to $140.  I
>>>>>like
>>>> it
>>>>>because it's two-sided so you can  read it from inside the cabin.  I
>>>>>often
>>>>>lock the tiller and go  below to lay down on the settee, not that I'm
>>>>>lazy
>>>>  or
>>>>>anything.  It's nice to be able to see the compass to  ensure you don't
>>>>>go
>>>>>off course.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stan and  others will tell you that a depth finder (fish finder)  isn't
>>>>>necessary because your centerboard and rudder will tell you  when it
>>>>>gets
>>>> too
>>>>>shallow.  This is proof that even  Stan isn't right all the time.  Ask
>>>>>Rose.
>>>>>I use my  fish finder all the time.  Even if you don't damage  your
>>>>>centerboard and rudder by dragging them on the bottom, you'll 
>>>>>certainly
>>>>>knock the bottom paint off of them.  I like to sail  close to shore, 
>>>>>and
>>>> it's
>>>>>nice to know when it starts  getting shallow.  I had Stan install a
>>>>>Humminbird Matrix 17  with the temperature/speed accessory on the
>>>>>starboard
>>>>>side  bulkhead.  It was about $100.  You'll need transducer paint to
>>>>>keep
>>>> the
>>>>>speed wheel turning, and even then it's nowhere  nearly as accurate as 
>>>>>a
>>>> GPS.
>>>>>It will let you know if you're  speeding up or slowing down to help you
>>>>>trim
>>>>>your  sails.  (Tom:  Don't get a speedwheel.  Even with transducer
>>>>>paint
>>>>>it
>>>>>will get marine growth in no time at  all.)
>>>>>
>>>>>It cost more to install the instruments than to  purchase them, but
>>>>>Stan's
>>>>>crew did an excellent job.  I'm way  overpaid and totally inept, so it
>>>>>would
>>>>>have cost me  much more to do it myself.
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't ventured far from  the marina and normally try to get in
>>>>>before
>>>>>dark, so I thought a  GPS would be more of a toy than something I 
>>>>>really
>>>>>needed, but I  would definitely recommend at least getting a cheap
>>>>>handheld
>>>>>for  safety.  I use mine to check my speed more than anything else.  I
>>>>>have
>>>> a
>>>>>Garmin C276, but it mostly depends on how much money  you want to 
>>>>>spend.
>>>>>Paper charts are still easier to read.  I  absolutely recommend that 
>>>>>you
>>>>>do
>>>>>not purchase a Magellan GPS.   I had nothing but nightmares with that
>>>> company
>>>>>(except that  nightmares stop when you wake up).
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck with your  choices!"
>>>>>
>>>>>Lee
>>>>>1986 Rhodes22  At  Ease
>>>>>Kent Island,  MD
>>>>>
>>>>>___________________________________________________________________________
>>>>  ______________
>>>>>
>>>>> >From Tom:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi  guys,
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought I had a name picked out ("Mischief II")  for the 1999 R22 
>>>>>that
>>>> Stan
>>>>>is recycling for me even as I  write.  But since the hull will be navy
>>>>>and
>>>>>since I'm "forever  in Blue Jeans" that are baggy and worn at the 
>>>>>knees,
>>>>>my
>>>>>wife  suggested "Rag Bag" or "Blue Jeans".  It will be one of the
>>>>>three.
>>>>>Stan has me talked out of a mast antenna and a  cockpit-mounted VHF,
>>>>>since
>>>>>GPS and cell phones work great for  communicating these days.
>>>>>
>>>>>At any rate, since I'll be  sailing mostly in the Big Assawoman Bay
>>>>>(BAB),
>>>>>which is extremely  shallow in spots and tends to shoal a bit, I'm 
>>>>>still
>>>>>inclined to go  with a depth gauge.  And I'm also inclined to install 
>>>>>a
>>>>>wall-mounted compass in the cockpit area.  Does anyone have  any
>>>>>thoughts
>>>>>on
>>>>>brands to look for / stay away  from?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom Bickerstaff  ("Bick")
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. I should be "up and running" by the end  of June, so if anybody
>>>>>finds
>>>>>him/herself near Ocean City, MD and  wants to check out the BAB, just
>>>>>let
>>>>>me
>>>>>know.
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