[Rhodes22-list] bill?
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Dec 4 13:23:15 EST 2008
My terms were "fooling around" (definitely fits), and "sleeping with the
help" (and yes, I think that one does as well).
R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Herb,
> I don't believe that what Bill Clinton received from Monica Lewinski
> constitutes "sleeping around".
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 12/4/2008 12:42:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>
> Rik,
>
> Bill Clinton is a prime example of what you're talking about. There is
> no doubt he was one of the most intelligent presidents we've ever had.
> There is also no doubt (in my mind) that he was one of the worst.
> Intelligence didn't bring enough common sense for him to understand that
> not only would fooling around with Monica be found out (he DID have a
> track record), but that "sleeping with the help" is bad for ANY
> organization, especially one where national security issues were at
> stake. That was only one of the "common sense" issues that destroyed his
> presidency.
>
> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>
>> Brad,
>>
>> "Let's hope Ben is right and The One is surrounded by "The Best and
>> Brightest"
>>
>> I worry a bit about the amount of faith people put in those fancy
>> diplomas and credentials. Knowledge and wisdom are not the same thing
>> and no amount of book learning seems to guarantee an increase in common
>> sense. A good friend illustrated this for me the other day when he
>> asked; how many high school dropouts do you suppose had a hand in
>> creating this financial disaster we find ourselves in today?
>>
>> It appears that common sense is not particularly common, even among the
>> "best and brightest".
>>
>> Rik
>>
>> Will Rogers often said, "There's nothing quite like money in the bank." He
>>
> went on to say, "I'm not so concerned about the return on my money as I am
> about the return of my money."
>
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Micheal,
>>>
>>> You made some interesting observations that most people don't think
>>> about, or don't want to think about. What drug us out of the Great
>>> Depression was not a multitude of make-work programs but WW2. Prior
>>> to Pearl Harbor we had the 16th largest military behind Poland. As
>>> Yamamato said whilst steaming back to Japan, "we have awakened a
>>> sleeping giant". Our success throughout the 50's and most of the 60's
>>> was largely the result of the rest of the industrialized world being
>>> left in tatters from the aftermath of the war. Those countries that
>>> experimented with Marx and Engels discovered that centralized economic
>>> planning never works so our success came easy. As a nation, we've
>>> started to believe our own hype that our being on top economically is
>>> the natural order of the universe. Things have changed. Europe has
>>> two huge economic problems they are facing, socialization and
>>> demographics. China is facing huge demographic problems in the next
>>> few decades as well (one child policy and an aging population) but
>>> they've cast off ideas of centralized planning have 20 years or so to
>>> stuff the piggy bank (my sister-in-law says 30). We in this country
>>> refuse to face the most basic of problems. The younger generation
>>> can't afford to fund the promises made to the Boomer generation -
>>> we'll either have to delay benefits, cut benefits, or raise SS taxes
>>> on younger workers. We've raised at least a couple of generations of
>>> entitlement minded workers. We have one of the most un-competitive
>>> corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. Historically, who
>>> ever had the cheapest energy and used the most energy was the most
>>> productive. We don't have a comprehensive energy policy unless you
>>> consider "you can't drill here, you can't mine there" a policy. You
>>> are indeed correct, this cycle may be long and it may be ugly. Even
>>> if it made good economic and fiscal sense, an Obama led public works
>>> infrastructure program would take years to get started (think
>>> environmental impact studies, eminent domain lawsuits, engineering,
>>> etc - this ain't 1932). Isolationism and restraint of trade won't work
>>> any better now than it did for Hoover. At some point in time, Obama
>>> will have to level with the American people and admit that he was a
>>> gas-bag promise generator during the campaign and now that he's in
>>> office, here's the ugly reality and here's what we're going to do
>>> about it. Short of that, he's playing "musical chairs" and playing it
>>> on the deck of the Titanic. I'm not holding my breath for honest
>>> answers. In the meantime, most of the world's oil is still being
>>> pumped by people who don't like us, Russia is on another power trip
>>> and using energy as a weapon, crazed Islamists haven't suddenly quit
>>> wanting to kill us, etc. Let's hope Ben is right and The One is
>>> surrounded by "The Best and Brightest" and this time they don't get us
>>> into the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day!
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM, michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I here you, the bottom line is we do not "make things" any more, any
>>>>
> when the world wakes up that they do not need the Americas it going to be very
> rough. The funny thing is from an economic standpoint we have simulating like
> all sh-t with the war effort. I am not sure "o" is going to bring much more
> to the table. Or if any policy in the short run will(like 1-2 years) This down
> turn is going to last until people get tired of it(which seems to cure them
> all) or we get into a bigger war. The other issue is the underlying trends
> are bad, many years ago I saw a very interesting graph that plotted Americas
> by age/income producing by each age group and compared it to the GDP. The
> idea was that each person cost and value to sociality and the relationship
> changes based on age. By adding up all the "cost and values" for everyone to form
> a macro picture (and this was not touchy feely numbers, simply what you cost
> and what up make). It turned out to be a perfect almost correlation with
> GDP. An using the methods of any insurance actuarial the projection has the
> curve shifting right about now to a decreasing GDP
>
>>>> -mjm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:42 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bill?
>>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> I like to think I'm in the "what's best for my country" camp, and
>>>> against the hypocrisy camp.
>>>>
>>>> George Bush got into office by saying one thing and doing another. I
>>>> opposed that.
>>>>
>>>> Obama got into office the same way. I oppose that, too.
>>>>
>>>> Both men are inexperienced, relying on the knowledge of those
>>>> surrounding them. It's a bad formula. The other people in the room
>>>> won't agree on many things. The least experienced person winds up
>>>> making the decision on a "gut feel".
>>>>
>>>> Both Bush and Obama were selected by political machines as the electable
>>>> face of unelectable policies.
>>>>
>>>> It didn't work well for the Republicans. It's not going to work well
>>>> for the Democrats, either.
>>>>
>>>> As you well know, we've got really really big problems. Things will
>>>> probably never go back to where they were. Our country's position is
>>>> likely to deteriorate, along with the position of most individuals.
>>>> There are smarter moves, and dumber moves. Moves that will leave us
>>>> better off, and moves that will leave us worse off.
>>>>
>>>> The Democrats are settling scores--they are not working for the common
>>>>
> good.
>
>>>> As you know, I am voting against my pocketbook. The Democrat's policies
>>>> benefit me. If I lose, I win. But, at least I can live with myself,
>>>> having tried to work for what I believe is right.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe if enough people speak up early enough we can stop throwing our
>>>> money into a bottomless pit, and start actually working our way out.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Bill I am confused, I will admit it does not take much more me to be in
>>>>>
> that conduction but.....
>
>>>>> For the most part you have been in the democratic camp, what happened?
>>>>>
> It seems that "O" has you more than a little pissed off.....
>
>>>>> -mjm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:01 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>>
>>>>> David Brooks!
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the neo-cons who got just about everything wrong for the past 8
>>>>> years!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben, why didn't you quote this from a more recent column:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Barack Obama and his team should put into action a foreign policy
>>>>> doctrine that builds on some of the ideas developed during George W.
>>>>> Bush's term."
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't a football game, and it doesn't matter who you "root" for.
>>>>>
>>>>> This country is proceeding on an incoherent course which most ordinary
>>>>> Americans can see can't possibly work.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Bailout" is already a fiasco -- and make no mistake, it's a
>>>>> Democrat fiasco.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bailing out auto unions is a payoff, plain and simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Citibank paid $400 Million to call the new Mets stadium "Citi Field" --
>>>>> and now the taxpayers are giving them their money back--BRILLIANT!
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama is following exactly the same course Herbert Hoover followed after
>>>>> the stock market crash. Public works projects. Rooting for the home
>>>>>
> team.
>
>>>>> It didn't work then, and it won't work now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe, just maybe, there's a better way. Obama was elected to bring
>>>>> change, not more of the same, and it's never too early to notice the
>>>>> emperor has no clothes on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Listening to David Brooks is not likely to be the better way, he's just
>>>>> another "well-educated" dope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr Effros opines that "once again the country has decided to make the
>>>>>> dumbest person in the room the decider". I agree with Mr. Brooks of
>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>> NYTimes who wrote recently:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>>> "November 21, 2008
>>>>>> Op-Ed Columnist
>>>>>> The Insider's Crusade
>>>>>> By DAVID BROOKS
>>>>>> Jan. 20, 2009, will be a historic day. Barack Obama (Columbia, Harvard
>>>>>>
> Law)
>
>>>>>> will take the oath of office as his wife, Michelle (Princeton, Harvard
>>>>>>
> Law),
>
>>>>>> looks on proudly. Nearby, his foreign policy advisers will stand
>>>>>>
> beaming,
>
>>>>>> including perhaps Hillary Clinton (Wellesley, Yale Law), Jim Steinberg
>>>>>> (Harvard, Yale Law) and Susan Rice (Stanford, Oxford D. Phil.).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The domestic policy team will be there, too, including Jason Furman
>>>>>> (Harvard, Harvard Ph.D.), Austan Goolsbee (Yale, M.I.T. Ph.D.), Blair
>>>>>>
> Levin
>
>>>>>> (Yale, Yale Law), Peter Orszag (Princeton, London School of Economics
>>>>>>
> Ph.D.)
>
>>>>>> and, of course, the White House Counsel Greg Craig (Harvard, Yale
>>>>>>
> Law).
>
>>>>>> This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or at
>>>>>>
> least
>
>>>>>> that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even more
>>>>>>
> than
>
>>>>>> past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by those who
>>>>>> graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy
>>>>>>
> attacks the
>
>>>>>> United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next four
>>>>>> years, we're screwed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into focus.
>>>>>>
> Its
>
>>>>>> members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover
>>>>>>
> them,
>
>>>>>> three times if you include the columnists. They typically served in the
>>>>>> Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to the
>>>>>>
> comforts
>
>>>>>> of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman Sachs,
>>>>>> Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them send
>>>>>>
> their
>
>>>>>> kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in
>>>>>>
> D.C., that
>
>>>>>> they'll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated Achievatrons
>>>>>>
> (not to
>
>>>>>> mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by highly
>>>>>> trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the Obama
>>>>>> transition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is
>>>>>>
> testimony
>
>>>>>> to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic
>>>>>> administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks
>>>>>>
> approved by
>
>>>>>> the favored interest groups. They're thinking holistically — there's a
>>>>>>
> nice
>
>>>>>> balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They're also
>>>>>>
> thinking
>
>>>>>> strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute
>>>>>> notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health and
>>>>>>
> Human
>
>>>>>> Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill
>>>>>>
> Clinton
>
>>>>>> did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more
>>>>>>
> precise,
>
>>>>>> they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion that
>>>>>>
> you
>
>>>>>> need inexperienced "fresh faces" to change things. After all, it was
>>>>>>
> L.B.J.
>
>>>>>> who passed the Civil Rights Act. Moreover, because he is so young,
>>>>>>
> Obama is
>
>>>>>> not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend
>>>>>>
> upon him
>
>>>>>> for their well-being.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a result, the team he has announced so far is more impressive than
>>>>>>
> any
>
>>>>>> other in recent memory. One may not agree with them on everything or
>>>>>>
> even
>
>>>>>> most things, but a few things are indisputably true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, these are open-minded individuals who are persuadable by
>>>>>>
> evidence.
>
>>>>>> Orszag, who will probably be budget director, is trusted by
>>>>>>
> Republicans and
>
>>>>>> Democrats for his honest presentation of the facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, they are admired professionals. Conservative legal experts
>>>>>>
> have a
>
>>>>>> high regard for the probable attorney general, Eric Holder, despite the
>>>>>> business over the Marc Rich pardon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, they are not excessively partisan. Obama signaled that he means
>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>> live up to his postpartisan rhetoric by letting Joe Lieberman keep his
>>>>>> committee chairmanship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fourth, they are not ideological. The economic advisers, Furman and
>>>>>> Goolsbee, are moderate and thoughtful Democrats. Hillary Clinton at
>>>>>>
> State is
>
>>>>>> problematic, mostly because nobody has a role for her husband. But, as
>>>>>>
> she
>
>>>>>> has demonstrated in the Senate, her foreign-policy views are
>>>>>>
> hardheaded and
>
>>>>>> pragmatic. (It would be great to see her set of interests complemented
>>>>>>
> by
>
>>>>>> Samantha Power's set of interests at the U.N.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, there are many people on this team with practical creativity.
>>>>>>
> Any
>
>>>>>> think tanker can come up with broad doctrines, but it is rare to find
>>>>>>
> people
>
>>>>>> who can give the president a list of concrete steps he can do day by
>>>>>>
> day to
>
>>>>>> advance American interests. Dennis Ross, who advised Obama during the
>>>>>> campaign, is the best I've ever seen at this, but Rahm Emanuel also
>>>>>>
> has this
>
>>>>>> capacity, as does Craig and legislative liaison Phil Schiliro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Believe me, I'm trying not to join in the vast, heaving O-phoria now
>>>>>> sweeping the coastal haute bourgeoisie. But the personnel decisions
>>>>>>
> have
>
>>>>>> been superb. The events of the past two weeks should be reassuring to
>>>>>> anybody who feared that Obama would veer to the left or would suffer
>>>>>> self-inflicted wounds because of his inexperience. He's off to a start
>>>>>>
> that
>
>>>>>> nearly justifies the hype."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Copyright 2008 New York Times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't remember writing off Presdent GW Bush early. In fact there
>>>>>>
> was
>
>>>>>> great hope he could be the compassionate conservative, but he ran off
>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>> rails in ways we have already discussed. We're in a mess all right,
>>>>>>
> but if
>
>>>>>> it is possible to use our brains to get out of it, then Obama has
>>>>>>
> surely
>
>>>>>> recruited the best the most intelligent people in the country to get
>>>>>>
> down to
>
>>>>>> business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember David Brooks is well known and accepted as a conservative
>>>>>> Republican by all reasonable comentators. I'm going to withhold
>>>>>>
> judgment
>
>>>>>> and give Mr Obama his fair chance at tackling the issues, and I
>>>>>>
> encourage
>
>>>>>> everyone to do the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Save me some room in the storm shelter (we hit water when we dig down
>>>>>>> here).
>>>>>>> I'll bring my share of the plastic sheeting and duct tape!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 15:30
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We didn't have to wait for Bush to get into the White House to write
>>>>>>>
> him
>
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They both ran as "outsiders" and "agents of change" who were going to
>>>>>>> change Washington "business as usual".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But what do we see? Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rahm Emanuel, Robert Gates,
>>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden--same people, different
>>>>>>>
> day.
>
>>>>>>> The Democrats are awarding the "spoils" to the people who elected
>>>>>>>
> them:
>
>>>>>>> Lawyers; Wall Street; Organized Labor; Big Farmers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the country is spiraling downward, the Democrats will have
>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>> go to continuous feed web presses or larger denominations to print the
>>>>>>> money fast enough, the "global warming" opposition will be chucked
>>>>>>>
> under
>
>>>>>>> the bus as the "public works projects" start to gear up. The rest of
>>>>>>> the world has its own problems -- they're not going to bail us out
>>>>>>>
> this
>
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what about Afghanistan? You think Vietnam was tough terrain?
>>>>>>>
> Not
>
>>>>>>> to mention the fact that Afghanistan is twice the size of all of
>>>>>>> Vietnam. How many soldiers did we have in South Vietnam when you
>>>>>>>
> were
>
>>>>>>> there? How many do you think it will take to lose in Afghanistan?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is zero evidence that this guy is a smart man. This country
>>>>>>>
> has
>
>>>>>>> again made the dumbest person in the room "the decider". I really
>>>>>>> didn't think people would make that same mistake again, but, here we
>>>>>>>
> are!
>
>>>>>>> Professional politicians continue to run this country. They are
>>>>>>>
> running
>
>>>>>>> it into the ground. We should let the banks go bankrupt; only
>>>>>>> profitable automobile companies will survive; if people overpaid for
>>>>>>> their homes they should give them up; if people don't have jobs they
>>>>>>> should stop going to the mall; if we think we've got to fight wars all
>>>>>>> over the place, lets draft the soldiers; building dams and roads will
>>>>>>> not make the earth greener; public works projects don't end
>>>>>>>
> depressions.
>
>>>>>>> We haven't heard one good idea from this guy. When push comes to
>>>>>>>
> shove,
>
>>>>>>> he always reneges. And you think we should wait for 4 years before
>>>>>>>
> we
>
>>>>>>> call him on it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not me. We're heading for tough times, and everybody is to blame.
>>>>>>>
> But
>
>>>>>>> blaming won't help. Burning food, bailing out ridiculous union
>>>>>>> contracts, letting people live in homes they can't afford, printing
>>>>>>>
> more
>
>>>>>>> money, paying off debts with worthless paper -- will only make things
>>>>>>> worse. I'll speak up now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>> Lighten up. Your blood vessels in your head are about to explode.
>>>>>>>>
> Obama
>
>>>>>>>> isn't even in the white house yet and you are writing him off
>>>>>>>>
> already.
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> certainly has his hands full, cleaning up the mess from the last
>>>>>>>>
> eight
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but he's a smart man and will get the job done. Cut him a little
>>>>>>>>
> slack.
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> four years if he hasn't done a good job, then you can replace him.
>>>>>>>>
> Until
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lighten up Francis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:17:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>>> bill at effros.com writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Too bad it didn't work...she was unable to get out the Republican
>>>>>>>>
> vote
>
>>>>>>>> while Obama's field offices brought out the Democrats en masse...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's less than a month later, and the Democrats don't seem to have
>>>>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>>>>> clue that they've got a real problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you notice that China has announced they aren't going to bail
>>>>>>>>
> us out
>
>>>>>>>> this time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The report of my death is greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, Sarah came down to Georgia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chambliss: Palin 'allowed us to peak'
>>>>>>>>> By: Andy Barr
>>>>>>>>> December 3, 2008 11:29 AM EST
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fresh off his runoff victory Tuesday night, Georgia Republican
>>>>>>>>>
> Sen.
>
>>>>>>>>> Saxby Chambliss credited Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin with firing up his
>>>>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I can't overstate the impact she had down here," Chambliss said
>>>>>>>>> during an interview Wednesday morning on Fox News.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "When she walks in a room, folks just explode," he added. "And
>>>>>>>>>
> they
>
>>>>>>>>> really did pack the house everywhere we went. She's a dynamic
>>>>>>>>>
> lady, a
>
>>>>>>>>> great administrator, and I think she's got a great future in the
>>>>>>>>> Republican Party."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chambliss said that after watching her campaign on his behalf at
>>>>>>>>> several events Monday, he does not see her star status diminishing
>>>>>>>>> within the party.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Republican also thanked John McCain and the other big name
>>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia, but said Palin made the biggest
>>>>>>>>> impact.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We had John McCain and Mike Huckabee and Gov. Romney and Rudy
>>>>>>>>> Giuliani, but Sarah Palin came in on the last day, did a fly-around
>>>>>>>>> and, man, she was dynamite," he said. "We packed the houses
>>>>>>>>>
> everywhere
>
>>>>>>>>> we went. And it really did allow us to peak and get our base fired
>>>>>>>>> up."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But as Chambliss heaped praise on Palin and other big-ticket
>>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia on his behalf, he questioned why
>>>>>>>>> President-elect Barack Obama would not use his star power to aid
>>>>>>>>>
> his
>
>>>>>>>>> Democratic opponent Jim Martin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I have no idea why he didn't come down," Chambliss said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "His people were here. His organization was here," he added. "They
>>>>>>>>> really did a good job in the general election of turning out
>>>>>>>>>
> people.
>
>>>>>>>>> And whatever their game plan was this time, if he had been here, I
>>>>>>>>> have no idea whether it would have worked better."
>>>>>>>>>
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