[Rhodes22-list] Political- Caroline To Seek NY Senatorial Seat
Ben Cittadino
bcittadino at dcs-law.com
Mon Dec 15 22:03:41 EST 2008
Herb;
Let me try once again to have a serious discussion with you. I'll probably
regret it, but here goes.
I took offense at Bill's Memo from the CEO, not because it was directed at
me (I'm self employed), and not because it was a swipe at Obama or his
supporters (we won). If you go back and look you will see that I allowed in
my first responsive post to his Memo for the possibility that it was an
attempt at humor (so I wasn't scammed). I simply said that which I believed
and still believe; that the mere suggestion of that kind of retaliation is
anathema to the American Spirit and way of life. Anyone who saw the faintest
hint of humor in that post, ought, in my opinion, to meditate long and hard
about the principles upon which this country is based.
I have spent my legal career representing little guys against big guys, and
it affects me at a gut level when a "boss" lords it over his employees in
the arrogant "they got what they deserved" tone expressed in that post, and
in your post in this thread using that same language.
When Bill used "Fuqua" in place of the common expletive I thought it was
classless because of the context in which it was used. If we were talking
Giants/Cowboys I would not have been offended. But he used it to belittle my
feelings of indignation over the many little guys who have been abused by
bullies over the years in the employer/employee context. I used it with you
ironicly, just as I said. If you don't get it then you don't get it, but
it's significance comes from the fact that we were discussing Bill's use of
the term, so my use in response was clearly IRONIC, thus genuinely funny.
Actually, the fact that you don't get it is even funnier.
Bill can't really offend me; he doesn't know me. All I know about him is he
has an interest in sailing and while he seems to be helpful to folks on this
list when it comes to sailing, he apparently thinks it's funny when little
guys get crushed by big guys ( as in his supposedly funny post about firing
people because of their Obama bumber stickers).
Don't worry about my thin skin. It heals over quite nicely and is stronger
at the places where I earned my scars "on St. Crispan's Day".
Have a Merry Christmas. (no joke);
Ben C.
hparsons wrote:
>
> It's called hypocrisy Ben, look it up.
>
> It was was play on words when Bill did it. That's because he sees no
> harm in it. It's not a thing without class to him. However, you
> demonstrated that you feel such a play on words is a classless thing to
> you. And then you did it.
>
> No matter how you twist it, that shows your level of class.
>
> I also must note, that you seem to always turn things you don't like
> into a personal insult. That too, says a lot.
>
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>> It's called IRONY Herb. Look it up.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>
>>> I was being serious. I had no idea where she lived, but assumed it was
>>> in Mass.
>>>
>>> BTW, doesn't your last comment show "just more of the same class and
>>> dignity we've come to expect" from you? Or do statements like that
>>> really only apply to "the other side"?
>>>
>>> I'm serious about that last question. Why is it when Bill uses an
>>> obvious play on words like that, it's worthy of your scorn, but then you
>>> do it right back yourself?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>>> She lives on the Upper West Side, Manhattan. Has for years, so that
>>>> won't
>>>> be
>>>> an issue.
>>>>
>>>> That is, if you were being serious. If you weren't, then Fuqua.
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is Caroline Kennedy a resident of the State of New York, or does that
>>>>> simply not matter any more?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> December 16, 2008 New York Times
>>>>>> Caroline Kennedy to Seek Clinton’s Senate Seat
>>>>>> By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
>>>>>> Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of an American political dynasty, has
>>>>>> decided
>>>>>> to pursue the United States Senate seat being vacated by Senator
>>>>>> Hillary
>>>>>> Rodham Clinton of New York.The decision came after a series of deeply
>>>>>> personal and political conversations, in which Ms. Kennedy, whom
>>>>>> friends
>>>>>> describe as unflashy but determined, wrestled with whether to give up
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> has been a lifetime of avoiding the spotlight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kennedy made calls on Monday morning to alert political figures to
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gov. David A. Paterson of New York confirmed that she was interested
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> being appointed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “She told me she was interested in the position,” Mr. Paterson said
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> news conference. “She realized it wasnot a campaign, but she was
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> other people because shethought that a number of people, she felt,
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> know that she’sinterested in the position. She’d like at some point
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> sit
>>>>>> down andtell me what she thinks her qualifications are.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Senator Charles Schumer said that he had also spoken to Ms. Kennedy
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> said she was “clearly interested.” “Bottom line isthat the Governor
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> talk regularly on this,” he said in a television interview, “but we
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> decided to keepeach other’s counsel, so that is all I am going to say
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> now.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If appointed, Ms. Kennedy would fill the seat once held by her uncle,
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>> F. Kennedy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy’s decision is likely to have a major impact on the
>>>>>> governor’s
>>>>>> considerations as he mulls who should succeed Mrs. Clinton. Already,
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> other Democrats have pointedly questioned her credentials for the
>>>>>> job.
>>>>>> United States Representative Gary Ackerman, a Queens Democrat, said
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> week that he did not know what Ms. Kennedy’s qualifications were,
>>>>>> “except
>>>>>> that she has name recognition — but so does J. Lo.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others, including Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg have praised her
>>>>>> abilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy first telephoned the governor on Dec. 3 to inquire about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> job, but Mr. Paterson described that conversation as “informational”
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> said it was clear that Ms. Kennedy had not decided whether she wanted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> pursue the position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But since then, she has begun reaching out to key political figures
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> York, including Sheldon Silver, the speaker of the State Assembly,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Thomas P. DiNapoli, the state comptroller. She has also hired
>>>>>> Knickerbocker
>>>>>> SKD, a prominent political consulting firm headed by Josh Isay, a
>>>>>> former
>>>>>> chief of staff to Senator Charles E. Schumer, to advise her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy’s family members, especially her cousin, Robert F.
>>>>>> Kennedy
>>>>>> Jr.,
>>>>>> have urged her to seek the post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mrs. Clinton has said that she would not vacate the Senate seat until
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> was confirmed as President-elect Barack Obama’s secretary of state,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> expected to occur in January or February, and the governor has said
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> would wait until then to make the appointment. But he has also said
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> might make his selection known before then, to allow whomever is
>>>>>> chosen
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> prepare for the new role.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy, 51, a resident of Manhattan’s Upper East Side, took an
>>>>>> unusually public role in Mr. Obama’s campaign, and the two became
>>>>>> friends.
>>>>>> Mr. Obama appointed Ms. Kennedy to the panel that vetted potential
>>>>>> vice-presidential candidates for him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before that, Ms. Kennedy had devoted much of her time to charitable
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> and institutions linked to her family, like the John F. Kennedy
>>>>>> Library
>>>>>> Foundation, of which she is president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others likely to be considered for the Senate seat are members of
>>>>>> Congress
>>>>>> including Kirsten Gillibrand, a rising star in the Democratic party
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> represents an upstate district; Thomas R. Suozzi, the Nassau County
>>>>>> chief
>>>>>> executive and a former candidate for governor; and the New York State
>>>>>> attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is just an outstanding idea. Brad? Others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Herb Parsons
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