[Rhodes22-list] political philosophy- "moral equivalence" (There is no fundamental right or wrong?)

[Ben Cittadino]

Ed and Herb;

Herb said,
"You know something Ben, that you totally miss - EVERYONE thinks their 
cause is worthy, and EVERYONE thinks those causes 180 degrees opposite 
are wrong. 

The difference between you, and others of your ilk, is the arrogance 
that says "Not only is my cause the worthy one, but anyone that sees 
things differently is not only wrong, but worthy of disdain, because I 
am so obviously right that anyone that differs that strongly from me is 
unAmerican and wrong." 


Ed said,
"Your  thought of arrogance is correct.  Arrogance is especially noticeable 
in 
those who have loss touch with ordinary people.  Arrogance is often  evident 
in those of self appointed elites, many of higher formal  education." 

So let me get this straight. A strong opinion as to the fundamental
"rightness" of one's position on an issue (such as the evil of throwing
workers into the street and out of their jobs, joking or not), equates with
"arrogance". That is exactly what you both have said . So since EVERYONE
feels that way (that their cause is right and the other guy's is wrong) I
assume there must not be any absolute Right or Wrong according to your
philosophical outlook. Therefor, in your view, all morality is relative only
to the person making the judgment. Thus MY morality (fairness to workers and
disapproval of jokes celebrating the hurting of workers) represents
arrogance to you Herb and you Ed. My recollection is that both of you claim
to hold Christian values. Does this mean that your strong opinions on, say,
abortion or stem cell research are arrogant? If there is no fundamental
Right or Wrong how are we to make judgments? I would offer that some things
are Right and some things are Wrong, and that there are Good guys and Bad
guys, and the difficulty of confronting evil does not excuse us from the
duty to do so. So yes, I believe Bill's joke of several weeks ago was a
manifestation of a depraved heart, and was not the least bit funny. And
yes,I think the two of you ought to give more thought to what it means to be
an American and less to the marxists hiding under your beds. I won't hold my
breath waiting for you to engage in any self examination however. You're too
busy covering for each other to think for yourselves.

Merry Christmas 

Ben C. 





Tootle wrote:
> 
> Rummy,
> 
> Somebody that comes on once every 3 or 4 months ought to consider making
> sure others can clearly i.d. who is making the comments.  I do not have
> your infallible memory.  However, I do remember various trolls in the
> past.  
> 
> Herb,
> 
> Study these web sites:
> 
> http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/facts/
> 
> http://www.instituteforlegalreform.org/
> 
> It is important to remember that one aspect of Marxism is control of the
> people.  Remember that Marxism seeks to create a 'Dictatorship of the
> Proletariat’.  An important aspect of control is control descent and free
> thought.  An element of dictatorship is for the dictator making his
> opinions the correct and only view.  
> 
> A Marxist dictator will claim that he is speaking for the little guy. 
> There is glossing over the fact that the little guy can speak for himself. 
> He pretends the little guy incapable of self defense when in fact that is
> not true.  He believes only the Marxist knows the truth.
> 
> Your thought of arrogance is correct.  Arrogance is especially noticeable
> in those who have loss touch with ordinary people.  Arrogance is often
> evident in those of self appointed elites, many of higher formal
> education.  
> 
> I recall pictures and news reports of a ceremony in the Roman Catholic
> Church in Rome where the Pope washes the feet of a group of Cardinals. 
> What is the purpose of that ceremony?
> 
> In 1936 Major General J. F. C. Fuller wrote a booklet for the U. S. Army
> entitled, Generalship:  Its diseases and Their Cure.  Therein he discussed
> the arrogance of power and one of its cause as disassociation from
> reality.  This affliction is evident in the U. S. national media and its
> acolytes and some members of this forum.
> 
> Ed K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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