[Rhodes22-list] political philosophy- "moral equivalence" (There is no fundamental right or wrong?)

[Herb Parsons]

Sorry Ben, you are under a misconception.

There IS no "evil" in laying off workers. You may choose to call it 
"throwing workers out in the street', but the truth of the matter is it 
is a person (or a group of people) choosing to no longer employ an 
individual, and that is their RIGHT. It's not an evil, it's not even 
wrong, unless they are doing something contrary to what they've promised.

If they've signed a contract, they should honor it. If they've made 
promises, they should honor those. But workers leave (often without 
notice), simply because they find something  better, decide not to work 
anymore, whatever. Employers have that same right.

As for the rest of your drivel, you completely mis read what I wrote. 
Might I suggest you go back and look at what I actually said:

"... is not only wrong, but worthy of disdain ..." Is a clue, but 
frankly, I think you're clueless. You see what you want to see, and 
anyone that doesn't see it is wrong.

And what in the WORLD are you talking about "covering for each other". I 
said nothing in support of Ed, nor did I speak of Marxism.

Do you REALLY believe the shit you write?

Ben Cittadino wrote:
> Ed and Herb;
>
> Herb said,
> "You know something Ben, that you totally miss - EVERYONE thinks their 
> cause is worthy, and EVERYONE thinks those causes 180 degrees opposite 
> are wrong. 
>
> The difference between you, and others of your ilk, is the arrogance 
> that says "Not only is my cause the worthy one, but anyone that sees 
> things differently is not only wrong, but worthy of disdain, because I 
> am so obviously right that anyone that differs that strongly from me is 
> unAmerican and wrong." 
>
>
> Ed said,
> "Your  thought of arrogance is correct.  Arrogance is especially noticeable 
> in 
> those who have loss touch with ordinary people.  Arrogance is often  evident 
> in those of self appointed elites, many of higher formal  education." 
>
> So let me get this straight. A strong opinion as to the fundamental
> "rightness" of one's position on an issue (such as the evil of throwing
> workers into the street and out of their jobs, joking or not), equates with
> "arrogance". That is exactly what you both have said . So since EVERYONE
> feels that way (that their cause is right and the other guy's is wrong) I
> assume there must not be any absolute Right or Wrong according to your
> philosophical outlook. Therefor, in your view, all morality is relative only
> to the person making the judgment. Thus MY morality (fairness to workers and
> disapproval of jokes celebrating the hurting of workers) represents
> arrogance to you Herb and you Ed. My recollection is that both of you claim
> to hold Christian values. Does this mean that your strong opinions on, say,
> abortion or stem cell research are arrogant? If there is no fundamental
> Right or Wrong how are we to make judgments? I would offer that some things
> are Right and some things are Wrong, and that there are Good guys and Bad
> guys, and the difficulty of confronting evil does not excuse us from the
> duty to do so. So yes, I believe Bill's joke of several weeks ago was a
> manifestation of a depraved heart, and was not the least bit funny. And
> yes,I think the two of you ought to give more thought to what it means to be
> an American and less to the marxists hiding under your beds. I won't hold my
> breath waiting for you to engage in any self examination however. You're too
> busy covering for each other to think for yourselves.
>
> Merry Christmas 
>
> Ben C. 
>
>
>
>
>
> Tootle wrote:
>   
>> Rummy,
>>
>> Somebody that comes on once every 3 or 4 months ought to consider making
>> sure others can clearly i.d. who is making the comments.  I do not have
>> your infallible memory.  However, I do remember various trolls in the
>> past.  
>>
>> Herb,
>>
>> Study these web sites:
>>
>> http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/facts/
>>
>> http://www.instituteforlegalreform.org/
>>
>> It is important to remember that one aspect of Marxism is control of the
>> people.  Remember that Marxism seeks to create a 'Dictatorship of the
>> Proletariat’.  An important aspect of control is control descent and free
>> thought.  An element of dictatorship is for the dictator making his
>> opinions the correct and only view.  
>>
>> A Marxist dictator will claim that he is speaking for the little guy. 
>> There is glossing over the fact that the little guy can speak for himself. 
>> He pretends the little guy incapable of self defense when in fact that is
>> not true.  He believes only the Marxist knows the truth.
>>
>> Your thought of arrogance is correct.  Arrogance is especially noticeable
>> in those who have loss touch with ordinary people.  Arrogance is often
>> evident in those of self appointed elites, many of higher formal
>> education.  
>>
>> I recall pictures and news reports of a ceremony in the Roman Catholic
>> Church in Rome where the Pope washes the feet of a group of Cardinals. 
>> What is the purpose of that ceremony?
>>
>> In 1936 Major General J. F. C. Fuller wrote a booklet for the U. S. Army
>> entitled, Generalship:  Its diseases and Their Cure.  Therein he discussed
>> the arrogance of power and one of its cause as disassociation from
>> reality.  This affliction is evident in the U. S. national media and its
>> acolytes and some members of this forum.
>>
>> Ed K
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Herb Parsons