[Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Dec 30 14:15:51 EST 2008
Michael,
What needed to be "toned down" in my response to Ben?
He expressed "shock", I explained my view. Sorry you couldn't make it
through the whole thing, but frankly, it was directed to Ben.
I'm not sure about the "chip on my shoulder" comment. I wasn't offended
by Ben's comments. Sort of saddened that he's giving up. There are
rowdier folks on here, for sure.
michael meltzer wrote:
> Herb frankly I could not make it thought whole message, you are really
> walking around with a chip on shoulder, asking nicely to tone it down does
> not seem to work for you, are you able to?
>
> -mjm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:22 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>
> Ben,
>
> Why would that "help"? If you feel you're "dominating" the conversation
> (I certainly don't feel that way), just post less. But your posts are
> certainly not edging anyone out.
>
> Why were you "shocked" by my response to Elle? You know I'm bombastic,
> so THAT shouldn't have shocked you. Elle's a big girl (figuratively, no
> offense Elle), she wants to play with the boys, she can expect to get a
> little bruised every now and then. Frankly, while the "playground
> monitor" symbol has some merit, I can't help but notice that the only
> ones she blows the whistle on are the guys on the right. Folks love a
> fair teacher, even a strict one; but one who has her pets is annoying,
> one who regularly targets a particular group even more so. The
> playground monitor didn't blow her whistle when I was called (outright)
> a racist. She didn't calmly tell the little boy that was pouting and
> threatening to leave that if he calls the boys names, they may call him
> names back. I could call up other analogies, but you and she are smart
> folks, I think you get it.
>
> YOU, I'm sure, are disappointed that Bill and Brad are so completely
> unrepentant. What you fail to see is that I, and I'm sure they, are
> disappointed that YOU are so unrepentant. The parody that stirred all
> this nonsense up was NOT racist. And we, or at least I, am offended that
> you try to make make it out so, and in the process imply that I (and
> those that SEE the humor) are racist. My biggest disappointment is that
> I do not have the glib tongue or debating ability to make YOU (and
> others like you) see that the racism was displayed when the original
> writer of the editorial in the LA times explained for the world to see
> why whitey was supporting the "magic negro". I found the original
> article disgusting. You did not. I don't understand why.
>
> I don't think your solution is a solution at all. There are plenty of
> libs in the world, and the vacuum you leave behind will most undoubtedly
> be filled with someone that makes less of an attempt to be reasonable in
> the discussions. That will be missed. At the same time, even
> unreasonable folks are missed. I've never seen Rummy make a reasonable
> argument for his dislike of Bush, but his other contributions will be
> sorely missed.
>
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>
>> Ben;
>>
>> Thanks for the statistical breakdown. I must say it hadn't occurred to me
>> that I was the fourth or fifth most frequent poster.
>>
>> I have also reviewed the posts since Rummy's resignation, especially those
>> by Bill, Herb and Brad. I was, quite frankly, shocked at Herb's remarks to
>> Elle, and dissappointed that Bill and Brad were so completely unrepentant.
>>
> I
>
>> believe I have a solution.
>>
>> If I leave the list it does two things; one, it solves a chunk of the
>> "domination" problem with the reduction in volume; and two, it leaves
>>
> Bill,
>
>> Herb and Brad with nothing to do but agree with each other, which is not
>>
> as
>
>> much fun as having a debate with someone you disagree with.
>>
>> So, I'm quitting altogether. There are other ways to get sailing advice.
>> Besides, if I ever have a sailing question, Tootle would just tell me
>>
> "check
>
>> the archives" anyway. (joke)
>>
>> Hope it helps.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Just for kicks, I did a "group by sender" on my inbox for this list. I
>>> don't think I've deleted anything since August, and I have nothing from
>>> before that. I did a quick scroll to see how many messages we all send.
>>>
>>> Herb was just over 900 messages.
>>> Brad was somewhere in the 700s.
>>> Elle was next (unless I missed someone) in the mid-300s.
>>> Ben C. was in the 200s.
>>> I either forgot to look for Ed, or forgot how many messages he had.
>>> Everyone else that I think of as a frequent poster was around 200 or
>>>
> less.
>
>>> This was a real quick exercise, because my main objective was to handicap
>>> upcoming college bowl games, so I'm sure there's someone I missed, but I
>>> think the reason we might be losing people is not because of the contents
>>> of
>>> the posts, it's that the conversation is being dominated.
>>>
>>> By the way, happy holidays to everyone. I wish you all the best for 09.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben S.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 17:20
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>>
>>> Elle,
>>>
>>> I notice that you, and a few others, when actually confronted, don't
>>> ante up.
>>>
>>> What did I do to "throw water on the others"? I posted a reasoned
>>> response to a bunch of crap about racism. They don't like it. Too bad.
>>> You seem to jump in there anytime someone disagrees with this same sort
>>> of nonsense.
>>>
>>> I'm opinionated. I don't doubt it.
>>> I stand by my views, except when I find their wrong for me. Then I
>>> change them.
>>>
>>> However, I don't resort to the silly name calling until it's thrown at
>>> me first
>>>
>>> And, I'm not saying for an instant that I don't "cause a problem".
>>> However, in this case I don't see where I did.
>>>
>>> Bill posted the link. I posted a reasoned response. You apparently,
>>> don't like that I did so. Too bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> elle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ah, Herb,
>>>> Another reasoned and thoughtful response from you. You have such a way
>>>>
>>>>
>>> with words that shows your nature. You make me laugh...I often have that
>>> reaction to .......(don't want to call you names...so fill in your own,
>>> folks.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> And you never cause a problem...it's always the other guy.
>>>>
>>>> Ya wanna mix it up?
>>>>
>>>> I taught second grade..I can handle you...But don't care to exert the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> effort.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Read up to Michael's response a few replies above this one. Take it to
>>>>
>>>>
>>> heart...everyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>> elle..
>>>>
>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>>>
>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:50 PM
>>>>> Elle,
>>>>>
>>>>> You know what? Kiss off. I did nothing to "throw
>>>>> water" on this. Some
>>>>> ass on here (and yes, it was ass-like behavior, if you
>>>>> don't like it,
>>>>> don't play) pulled his favorite "you're the
>>>>> bad guy" routine by bringing
>>>>> up the racism tag.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen a lot of BS on here the past few days,
>>>>> started to spout off,
>>>>> and then thought "nah, why bother". However, if
>>>>> someone DOES choose to
>>>>> "bother", they should expect a response.
>>>>> That's what "discussions" are
>>>>> about.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of you that simply want a podium to espouse your
>>>>> views
>>>>> unchallenged, I submit you're in the wrong playground.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate the thought of Rummy leaving. But he's a big
>>>>> boy, I suspect he
>>>>> knows exactly what he's doing by now. (I also suspect
>>>>> he's kinda feeling
>>>>> a little embarrassed at over-reacting, I know I would).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> elle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, SH*T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't a girl have some fun (& feed her heart
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> & soul) w/out the playground erupting?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody..back in the pool & Herb, Bill & Ed,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> stop throwing water in everyone's faces.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And, please...let me have some fun (;^) before I have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to come back to earth...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Love ya all...please everyone stay around....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> (Lady in Red)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, John Lock
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> List
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, "Robert
>>>>> Skinner" <Robert at SquirrelHaven.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 12:54 PM
>>>>>>> At 11:31 AM 12/29/2008 -0500, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Lock and MJM,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As prime movers in setting up and maintaining
>>>>>>>> this list, you enjoy positions of authority
>>>>>>>> and respect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doubtful, but thanks for the plug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry to see you go, but you should know how this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> works by
>>>>>>> now. Most of the traffic is generated by a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> relative few
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> self-important, dick-waving, gas bags and has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> nothing to do
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 or sailing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, we could start banning people and enforcing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> content
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> rules, but
>>>>>>> I (for one) don't want to be in THAT hot seat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> filters and the
>>>>>>> delete key should be enough to manage the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> forces
>>>>>>> anyone to read the crap and the tools for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> bypassing it are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> simple. If you choose to support a position or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> offer an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> opinion, you
>>>>>>> KNOW what will happen! It's not a surprise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> any more!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Lock
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
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