[Rhodes22-list] Politics

R22RumRunner at aol.com R22RumRunner at aol.com
Tue Feb 12 14:12:53 EST 2008


Herb,
Your problem is that even though you might read, you don't understand nor  
can you comprehend the message. I'm done. Back to work so I can pay for my $3.00 
 per gallon Bush gasoline.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 2/12/2008 2:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:

As  always, you dodge the debate by referencing an obviously biased 
article. I  only had to read the first paragraph to understand exactly 
what it  was:

When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush  
administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq  
war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil  
liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make  
front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt  
beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.

The problems with  that paragraph are:

The question as to whether or not the Bush  administration was a 
"catastrophe" is definitely open to debate. The  person writing is 
expressing an opinion, not fact.

The question of  wether or not the Iraq war was a "tragedy" that was 
caused by the Bush  administration is open to debate, again expressing an 
opinion, not fact.  (The FACT is that the war was authorized by congress, 
and the result of  many violations of a cease-fire agreement, and 
agreement that was  structured during the previous Bush admninistration, 
and violated numerous  times during the Clinton administration, but hey, 
let's not let facts get  in the way of a good Bush-bashing).

The "shame" of Guantanamo is that  so many leftists have made it out to 
be something worse than it  its.

The "shame" of Abu Gharib was NOT the result of "the Bush  
administration", that's hyperbole.

Like I said, the first paragraph  makes it pretty clear that the rest of 
the article is going to be more of  the same.

So Rummy, you jumped into this one, if you don't want to  play, don't 
jump. I was serious, apparantly you were  not.


R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Herb,
> As always  this time of year I don't have enough time to debate this point  
>  for point, but as Brad often does, I offer this somewhat lengthy article 
for  you 
>  to read.
>  
>  _http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712_ 
>  (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712)  
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a  message dated 2/12/2008 12:48:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>  hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>
> Sorry  Rummy, but to blame  "the economy" as "damage done by the current 
> occument"  is  neither honest, and is certainly not a "concrete fact". The 
>  "occupant"  doesn't prepare the budget. He may approve it, and probably  
> should have  junked a lot of what was in there, but it was a  joint effort 
> (for what  it's worth, I don't like his ecnomics  myself).
>
> You can't ride Brad's  back on the "foreign  policy" "damage", he didn't 
> list any. The notion that  a few  third world countries "don't like us" 
> isn't foreign policy  "damage",  at least not in MY view. On the other 
> hand, years of  ignoring treaty  violations, THAT's a foreign policy 
> nightmare.  It's ironic that the left  seems to decry a President doing 
>  exactly what he said he was going to do  as a "foreign policy nightmare".  
> Guess that's what foreign policy has  become, expectations of  ignored 
> warnings.
>
> But I'm beginning to  ramble.  The request was for concrete facts about 
> the "damage" done by  the  "current occupant". You've not provided any.
>
>
>  R22RumRunner at aol.com  wrote:
>   
>>  Herb,
>> As I have stated many times previously, I am  neither  left nor right,  
>>     
> liberal  
>   
>> nor conservative. I am an  American. I  vote for people that I believe  
>>     
>  provide 
>   
>> this country  with the best  possible leadership. I think Brad pretty much 
 
>>  touched  on most of the problems I have with this current administration. 
   
>> However, simply brushing them aside will not make the  problems   
disappear. 
>>     
> It  will 
>   
>> take decades to straighten out our  economy and  even longer  with foreign 
>>   
> policy. 
>   
>> The coming  election doesn't  offer any concrete  solutions to the 
problems.  
>>     
> I 
>   
>>  will probably  vote for John McCain simply because I  see him doing  the 
>>     
> least 
>    
>>  amount of damage. (My wife has always claimed that I  am  a closet  
>>     
>  Republican)
>   
>> I am embarrassed that this  country can have such a lousy  pool of people  
>> willing  to lead this country. Apparently holding  high jobs in corporate  
>>     
> America  
>    
>> is more appealing than running  for  office.
>>  
>> Rummy
>>   
>>  
>>  In a message dated 2/12/2008 9:04:01  A.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
>> hparsons at parsonsys.com  writes:
>>
>> Absolutely not. The  leftists in this  country seem fond of citing that  
so 
>> much  "damage" has  been done as if it's some sort of indisuputable fact,  
 
>>  when in reality, the "damage" consists of damage to their lefist   
agenda.  
>> I'd like real facts, not opinions. You guys don't  have  them.
>>
>> What  you REALLY have is a deep  resentment that in  spite of what you see 
>> as a   dangerous man, you couldn't muster  the wherewithall to defeat him. 
 
>> So, how  about producing some  real concrete facts, or  just admitting 
that 
>> it's just  your  left-wing  propaganda.
>>
>> R22RumRunner at aol.com   wrote:
>>   
>>      
>>>  Herb,
>>> Please tell me  your  joking.
>>>  
>>>   Rummy
>>>   
>>>  
>>> In a  message dated 2/12/2008  8:34:40  A.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com    writes:
>>>
>>> Might  you cite some of  this  "damage"  Slim?
>>>
>>> Steven  Alm  wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>        
>>>>   Elle,
>>>>
>>>>  Don't  worry.  Brad's posts were of no  real  consequence  as  usual.  
>>>>          
> Just 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>          
>>  more
>>   
>>   
>>>> right-wing    propaganda.   Brad, I don't know how much farther our  
>>>>         
>  country   
>   
>>>>     
>>>>          
>> can
>>    
>>      
>>>> decline before you  realize how much damage has  been  done  by the 
current
>>>>    occupant.
>>>>
>>>>    Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2008 9:48 PM,  elle    <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>     
>>>>   
>>>>          
>>>>>  Can we all take a  minute and  send a  concentrated
>>>>> mental mantra to   Virginia   Broadband to kickstart
>>>>> wireless  around    here?
>>>>>
>>>>> You  have no idea how frustrating  it is  to see   all
>>>>> these video links & not  be able to   see  them....
>>>>>
>>>>>   elle
>>>>> ---  Brad Haslett    <flybrad at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>     
>>>>>> Good grief,  I   haven't had this much fun watching   a
>>>>>> race since  I  was a  kid
>>>>>> and we had greased  pig  catching  contests  as fund
>>>>>> raisers.  Now   watch   this
>>>>>> clip and tell me what is  wrong  with the picture   at
>>>>>>  18    seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     http://youtube.com/watch?v=KU5Rt890Wm4
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Look at  the attached photo (taken in Iowa while   the
>>>>>>  National Anthem    was
>>>>>> being played) and tell me what  is  wrong  with  the
>>>>>>    picture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone  needs  to  tell  the Messiah to put his  lapel
>>>>>> flag  pin back on    for
>>>>>> awhile.  "Lucy, you  got some  explainin' to     do!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Brad
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