[Rhodes22-list] Politics

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Feb 12 14:23:03 EST 2008


Excellent comeback there Rummy - keeping in mind, all things are relative.

R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Herb,
> Your problem is that even though you might read, you don't understand nor  
> can you comprehend the message. I'm done. Back to work so I can pay for my $3.00 
>  per gallon Bush gasoline.
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a message dated 2/12/2008 2:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>
> As  always, you dodge the debate by referencing an obviously biased 
> article. I  only had to read the first paragraph to understand exactly 
> what it  was:
>
> When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush  
> administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq  
> war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil  
> liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make  
> front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt  
> beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.
>
> The problems with  that paragraph are:
>
> The question as to whether or not the Bush  administration was a 
> "catastrophe" is definitely open to debate. The  person writing is 
> expressing an opinion, not fact.
>
> The question of  wether or not the Iraq war was a "tragedy" that was 
> caused by the Bush  administration is open to debate, again expressing an 
> opinion, not fact.  (The FACT is that the war was authorized by congress, 
> and the result of  many violations of a cease-fire agreement, and 
> agreement that was  structured during the previous Bush admninistration, 
> and violated numerous  times during the Clinton administration, but hey, 
> let's not let facts get  in the way of a good Bush-bashing).
>
> The "shame" of Guantanamo is that  so many leftists have made it out to 
> be something worse than it  its.
>
> The "shame" of Abu Gharib was NOT the result of "the Bush  
> administration", that's hyperbole.
>
> Like I said, the first paragraph  makes it pretty clear that the rest of 
> the article is going to be more of  the same.
>
> So Rummy, you jumped into this one, if you don't want to  play, don't 
> jump. I was serious, apparantly you were  not.
>
>
> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>   
>> Herb,
>> As always  this time of year I don't have enough time to debate this point  
>>  for point, but as Brad often does, I offer this somewhat lengthy article 
>>     
> for  you 
>   
>>  to read.
>>  
>>  _http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712_ 
>>  (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712)  
>>  
>> Rummy
>>  
>>  
>> In a  message dated 2/12/2008 12:48:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>>  hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>
>> Sorry  Rummy, but to blame  "the economy" as "damage done by the current 
>> occument"  is  neither honest, and is certainly not a "concrete fact". The 
>>  "occupant"  doesn't prepare the budget. He may approve it, and probably  
>> should have  junked a lot of what was in there, but it was a  joint effort 
>> (for what  it's worth, I don't like his ecnomics  myself).
>>
>> You can't ride Brad's  back on the "foreign  policy" "damage", he didn't 
>> list any. The notion that  a few  third world countries "don't like us" 
>> isn't foreign policy  "damage",  at least not in MY view. On the other 
>> hand, years of  ignoring treaty  violations, THAT's a foreign policy 
>> nightmare.  It's ironic that the left  seems to decry a President doing 
>>  exactly what he said he was going to do  as a "foreign policy nightmare".  
>> Guess that's what foreign policy has  become, expectations of  ignored 
>> warnings.
>>
>> But I'm beginning to  ramble.  The request was for concrete facts about 
>> the "damage" done by  the  "current occupant". You've not provided any.
>>
>>
>>  R22RumRunner at aol.com  wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>>  Herb,
>>> As I have stated many times previously, I am  neither  left nor right,  
>>>     
>>>       
>> liberal  
>>   
>>     
>>> nor conservative. I am an  American. I  vote for people that I believe  
>>>     
>>>       
>>  provide 
>>   
>>     
>>> this country  with the best  possible leadership. I think Brad pretty much 
>>>       
>  
>   
>>>  touched  on most of the problems I have with this current administration. 
>>>       
>    
>   
>>> However, simply brushing them aside will not make the  problems   
>>>       
> disappear. 
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> It  will 
>>   
>>     
>>> take decades to straighten out our  economy and  even longer  with foreign 
>>>   
>>>       
>> policy. 
>>   
>>     
>>> The coming  election doesn't  offer any concrete  solutions to the 
>>>       
> problems.  
>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> I 
>>   
>>     
>>>  will probably  vote for John McCain simply because I  see him doing  the 
>>>     
>>>       
>> least 
>>    
>>     
>>>  amount of damage. (My wife has always claimed that I  am  a closet  
>>>     
>>>       
>>  Republican)
>>   
>>     
>>> I am embarrassed that this  country can have such a lousy  pool of people  
>>> willing  to lead this country. Apparently holding  high jobs in corporate  
>>>     
>>>       
>> America  
>>    
>>     
>>> is more appealing than running  for  office.
>>>  
>>> Rummy
>>>   
>>>  
>>>  In a message dated 2/12/2008 9:04:01  A.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com  writes:
>>>
>>> Absolutely not. The  leftists in this  country seem fond of citing that  
>>>       
> so 
>   
>>> much  "damage" has  been done as if it's some sort of indisuputable fact,  
>>>       
>  
>   
>>>  when in reality, the "damage" consists of damage to their lefist   
>>>       
> agenda.  
>   
>>> I'd like real facts, not opinions. You guys don't  have  them.
>>>
>>> What  you REALLY have is a deep  resentment that in  spite of what you see 
>>> as a   dangerous man, you couldn't muster  the wherewithall to defeat him. 
>>>       
>  
>   
>>> So, how  about producing some  real concrete facts, or  just admitting 
>>>       
> that 
>   
>>> it's just  your  left-wing  propaganda.
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com   wrote:
>>>   
>>>      
>>>       
>>>>  Herb,
>>>> Please tell me  your  joking.
>>>>  
>>>>   Rummy
>>>>   
>>>>  
>>>> In a  message dated 2/12/2008  8:34:40  A.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com    writes:
>>>>
>>>> Might  you cite some of  this  "damage"  Slim?
>>>>
>>>> Steven  Alm  wrote:
>>>>   
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>>>>         
>>>>>   Elle,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Don't  worry.  Brad's posts were of no  real  consequence  as  usual.  
>>>>>          
>>>>>           
>> Just 
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>>>  more
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>>>   
>>>       
>>>>> right-wing    propaganda.   Brad, I don't know how much farther our  
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>  country   
>>   
>>     
>>>>>     
>>>>>          
>>>>>           
>>> can
>>>    
>>>      
>>>       
>>>>> decline before you  realize how much damage has  been  done  by the 
>>>>>           
> current
>   
>>>>>    occupant.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2008 9:48 PM,  elle    <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>>  Can we all take a  minute and  send a  concentrated
>>>>>> mental mantra to   Virginia   Broadband to kickstart
>>>>>> wireless  around    here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You  have no idea how frustrating  it is  to see   all
>>>>>> these video links & not  be able to   see  them....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   elle
>>>>>> ---  Brad Haslett    <flybrad at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Good grief,  I   haven't had this much fun watching   a
>>>>>>> race since  I  was a  kid
>>>>>>> and we had greased  pig  catching  contests  as fund
>>>>>>> raisers.  Now   watch   this
>>>>>>> clip and tell me what is  wrong  with the picture   at
>>>>>>>  18    seconds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     http://youtube.com/watch?v=KU5Rt890Wm4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Look at  the attached photo (taken in Iowa while   the
>>>>>>>  National Anthem    was
>>>>>>> being played) and tell me what  is  wrong  with  the
>>>>>>>    picture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone  needs  to  tell  the Messiah to put his  lapel
>>>>>>> flag  pin back on    for
>>>>>>> awhile.  "Lucy, you  got some  explainin' to     do!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Brad
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