[Rhodes22-list] Politics

Tue Feb 12 18:53:40 EST 2008

Herb,

That's uncalled for.  Attack the argument not the person.  Leave the
name calling for the school yard bullies.

Hank

On 2/12/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> You know Slime, with your assinine statement about "nonchelant", along
> with its obvious educational level spelling, I'm off of this one. You're
> an asshole. I'm not "nonchalant" about the sacrifice that's required for
> war. I did my time, my father did his, one of my brothers did his. I
> attend the funerals of those that paid the ultimate price when I can.
>
> If you're asserting that death isn't "typically accepted" when going to
> war, you're just plain ignorant, but that's for you to figure out. For
> you to accuse me of being "nonchalant" about it is buffonish. You're an
> ass, and I'd tell you that to your face.
>
> I'm outta this one. Come back when you can argue with your brains and
> not your butt.
>
> Steven Alm wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 2008 4:27 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And you somehow attribute all of this to the "current occupant"?
> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >>
> >> The economy is not the ruins you portray. Yes, we have a large debt. Do
> >> you think it's unpayable? Maybe you can point us to a time when we were
> >> at war and DIDN'T incur a large debt.
> >
> >
> > Yes, the debt will be payable by our grandchildren.
> >
> >>
> >> No one is afraid to "utter the R word", they haven't needed to. It
> >> hasn't happened.
> >
> >
> > Yet.
> >
> >>
> >> All wars lose lives, all wars cost money. That damage is known, and
> >> typically accepted, as part of war.
> >
> >
> > You asked "what damage" and now at least you agree there has been some.
> > Sorry you see it as "typically accepted."  How very nonchelant. If the war
> > in Iraq were necessary, I'd try to keep a stiff upper lip about the loses
> > too but it's not and I don't.
> >
> >
> >> Civil liberties are also almost always temporarily "lost" during time of
> >> war. This one is no different. Your assertion that the "government no
> >> longer needs a warrant to eavesdrop" is pure hyperbole. They don't need
> >> warrants to eaves drop on foreigners. If the conversations are with
> >> Americans, that's part of the war. Please, if you want to have a
> >> rational discussion, don't just make things up as you go.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Warrentless eavesdropping is no hyperbole, Herb.
> >
> >
> >> I have no issue with you being a Bush-basher. As a matter of fact, I'm
> >> glad you finally identified your hyperbole for what it is. That was my
> >> point all along.
> >>
> >
> >
> >  My being a Bush-basher is no secret nor is it hyperbole.  You never
> > answered my most basic question:  What has he done for you or me lately?
> >
> > Slim
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> I think the decline and damage is pretty obvious.  Shall we start with
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> economy?  The 10 trillion dollar debt?  The "R" word that everybody is
> >>> afraid to utter?  Do you not see how the war in Iraq has done damage to
> >>>
> >> us
> >>
> >>> in lives lost, money lost and yes, our stature in the world?  Congress
> >>>
> >> is to
> >>
> >>> blame as well.  How about our loss of civil rights?  The government no
> >>> longer needs a warrant to eavesdrop.  What about the "signing
> >>>
> >> statements"
> >>
> >>> Bush has used in every bill he signed thus making a mockery of the whole
> >>> process?  He seems to think that "executive privilege" makes him and his
> >>> cabinet above the law.  I'm sure you remember the Valery Plame issue.
> >>>
> >>  How
> >>
> >>> about his easing the restrictions on how much mercury production plants
> >>>
> >> are
> >>
> >>> allowed to spit out?
> >>>
> >>> Do you have any facts that show we're not in decline or that there has
> >>>
> >> been
> >>
> >>> no damage?  Please show me something I can be happy about.  If you take
> >>> issue with me for being a Bush-basher you're going to have to show me
> >>>
> >> why I
> >>
> >>> shouldn't be one.  What has he done for me or you lately?  I guess now
> >>>
> >> he
> >>
> >>> wants to send me a few hundred bucks (borrowed from the Chinese) so I
> >>>
> >> can go
> >>
> >>> out and buy something made in China.  Does that make any sense?
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 12, 2008 2:43 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Slim,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not trying to convince you to "trust this administration". I have
> >>>>
> >> no
> >>
> >>>> reason for you to trust this administration. If they were running for
> >>>> something, and I was trying to get them elected, I might have need to
> >>>> try to convince you. They're not, I'm not.
> >>>>
> >>>> As it stands, they apparently didn't convince you to trust them, but
> >>>> they DID convince those that voted for them, and thus got the job.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, if I may remind you what started this little bit of silliness
> >>>> was the statement you made:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Brad, I don't know how much farther our country can decline before you
> >>>> realize how much damage has been done by the current occupant."
> >>>>
> >>>> Though you directed the question to Brad, I assumed it was open to all,
> >>>> so I simply asked what damage. You haven't convinced ME (or Brad, I
> >>>> suspect). You and Rummy both have put up a lot of nonsense from others,
> >>>> but I've yet to see a thought out description from either of you
> >>>> PERSONALLY of the "damage" you've talked about.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect it's not going to come.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect there's a reason too...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Brad, not sure what you're taliking about.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Herb, since you're so into the facts, why don't you start with some.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>  Give
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> me the facts on why I or any of us should trust this administration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Slim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 12, 2008 2:04 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Slim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Out the door and running late!  What were we talking about?  Did
> >>>>>>
> >> Grant
> >>
> >>>> get
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> surprised at Shiloh in 62' and should he have thrown his forces into
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> "Hornets Nest" during the afternoon?  Oh, we're talking now?  OK,
> >>>>>>
> >> what
> >>
> >>>> is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> the Messiah's vision for Iraq in 2010?  Inquiring minds want to know.
> >>>>>> Don't
> >>>>>> give me hope, I got that.  Change?  No shit, Sherlock!  Things damn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> sure
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> change.  Give me the plan! Any plan will do as long as it doesn't use
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> word "hope" or "change" without defining what the meaning of change
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> "is".
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2008 1:45 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2008 1:00 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The question as to whether or not the Bush administration was a
> >>>>>>>> "catastrophe" is definitely open to debate. The person writing is
> >>>>>>>> expressing an opinion, not fact.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So you're saying this has NOT been a catastrphe?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The question of wether or not the Iraq war was a "tragedy" that was
> >>>>>>>> caused by the Bush administration is open to debate, again
> >>>>>>>>
> >> expressing
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> opinion, not fact. (The FACT is that the war was authorized by
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> congress,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and the result of many violations of a cease-fire agreement, and
> >>>>>>>> agreement that was structured during the previous Bush
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> admninistration,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and violated numerous times during the Clinton administration, but
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> hey,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> let's not let facts get in the way of a good Bush-bashing).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So you're saying the war in Iraq is NOT a tragedy ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The "shame" of Guantanamo is that so many leftists have made it out
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> be something worse than it its.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So you're saying the situation in Guantanamo is OK?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The "shame" of Abu Gharib was NOT the result of "the Bush
> >>>>>>>> administration", that's hyperbole.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wasn't Donald Rumsfeld part of the Bush administration?  What ever
> >>>>>>> happened
> >>>>>>> to "the buck stops here?"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Slim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Herb Parsons
> >>>> S/V O'Jure - O'Day 25
> >>>> S/V Reve de Pappa - Coronado 35
> >>>>
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