[Rhodes22-list] hit delete: it's ss on his box
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Wed Feb 13 12:27:01 EST 2008
Lou,
We probably have enough acrimony on 'da list' for one week but that is one
big juicy lure you threw out and me being the "small minded bass" I am, it
needs to be chomped at!
Let's do some housekeeping first. I haven't met Herb - I have 'supped' with
Slim. My gut tells me the two of them would mix well with beer and hotdogs,
and if we ever get off our ass and do another North-South Rhodes-22 meeting
at Kentucky Lake there will be a photo of the pair arm-in-arm. Trust me
boys!
Back to you Lou, are you friggin' nuts?
Let me put that in more civil terms given yesterday's posts.
Lou, are you friggin' NUTS?
Brad
On Feb 13, 2008 11:13 AM, Lou Rosenberg <lsr3 at nyu.edu> wrote:
> Stan
>
> I think its great that you air your opinions on this list! That
> said, I agree with your take on having leaders be totally accountable
> to their decisions.
> But in the case of Iraq , Afghanistan and Pakistan going back to
> 9/11/01 its not that simple.
> ie: Its going to come out sooner or later that Bush & Cheney knew
> that there was a connection between Pakistan's ISI and M. Atta the
> supposed ringleader of the
> 9/11 hijackers. That was only ONE story the late Daniel Pearl was
> working on when he was killed.
>
> If Bush had chose to undermine any strategic importance that
> Pakistan held in 2001 and instead decided to INVADE Pakistan and
> Afghanistan to find
> Osama, I believe the Pakistanis would have had a chance to launch one
> of their nukes either at us or at Israel causing WWIII. I have not
> an ounce of trust for the Pakistani regimes, in this regard.
>
> I am not defending Bush & Cheney 's decision to invade Iraq or
> Afghanistan. I firmly believe they are complicit in a many schemes
> to defraud the people of America and will be held accountable at some
> time, most likely in the future.
>
> New Yorkers are working on making it happen sooner go to: http://
> www.nyc911initiative.org
>
> As Pakistan slips into anarchy and Musharaff clings to his military
> for power, we will find ourselves engaging in some sort of military
> action to either suppress the anarchy or bring about
> a more stable regime in that country. All this could have been dealt
> with years ago, but our foreign officers lead by this dysfunctional
> administration did nothing about it.
>
> Lou
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008, at 11:00 AM, stan wrote:
>
> > Your are correct in not wanting to play the blame game - let's
> > stick to the
> > save the game play
> >
> > This is the one re wars:
> >
> > Make it a constitutional amendment that to protect us from
> > trigger happy
> > leaders, wars cannot be started or engaged in without a formal
> > declaration
> > of war which in turn triggers an automatic initiation of a stand by
> > draft
> > law which in turn triggers and an automatic increasing (not
> > decreasing) of
> > taxes to pay for it. Make it a crime by firing squad for any
> > leader who
> > promises guns and butter at the same time and who tries to go to
> > war without
> > doing everything this country can possibly do to win it. It should be
> > axiomatic that if a war is worth engaging in then it should be
> > worth winning
> > and the whole country should go to war to win it as fast as
> > possible. (This
> > one is already longer than the big one and counting.)
> >
> > If the war issue it is not worth giving up the party at home (or
> > alternately only worth sacrificing volunteers), it is simply not
> > enough of
> > an issue to go to war for in the first place. For the life of me
> > I don't
> > understand why we have not learned this simple truth by now.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - chicken
> >
> >
> >> Stan, believe it or not, much of what you say I agree with (while
> >> some I
> >> still disagree with), but that dodges the original question.
> >>
> >> The things you're talking about are NOT caused by the "current
> >> occupant", with the possible exception of the Iraq war, and even
> >> that I
> >> will take issue on putting it out there as "Bush's war". It would
> >> have
> >> been Clinton's war, had he done HIS job. We should not sign cease-
> >> fire
> >> agreements that we're not willing to enforce. Either surrender, or do
> >> what we say we're going to do.
> >>
> >> stan wrote:
> >>> Wish someone asked me
> >>>
> >>> Got to run so this will be quick:
> >>>
> >>> Stop the world (or at least the US) and take a deep breath
> >>>
> >>> Stop the bleeding - this means the dumbest war we ever got
> >>> involved in.
> >>>
> >>> Stop terrorism by stopping its funding: oil and drugs
> >>>
> >>> stopping drugs is easy - make it legal
> >>>
> >>> stopping oil is a bit harder since people will say it costs
> >>> more for
> >>> alternate energy - but that misses the point. The money spent gets
> >>> spent
> >>> here so what if it costs more. In the long run it costs less
> >>> anyway,
> >>> since
> >>> fighting terrorism, as we are prone to try to do it, is a lot
> >>> more costly
> >>> than the energy costs differential.
> >>>
> >>> By alternate energy I mean atomic, coal, ethanol, and a
> >>> government
> >>> money
> >>> sponsored "man on the moon type program" to see if hydrogen and fuel
> >>> cells
> >>> have real promise. Who cares what all this costs as long as that
> >>> money
> >>> is
> >>> spent in the US. We have so much oil in this country and
> >>> surrounds we
> >>> could then be an oil exporter and clean up financially.
> >>>
> >>> Do away with all corporate taxes - a corporation is not a
> >>> person and
> >>> just passes that cost along in a negative manner. Do away with
> >>> all taxes
> >>> of
> >>> every sort except the income tax and make that simple and
> >>> progressive.
> >>> (Do
> >>> you know how inefficient having secondary tax collection
> >>> departments are
> >>> like tolls and sales taxes) In fact, at the risk of having Ed
> >>> hoist the
> >>> hammer and sickle over my head, I would propose that, since this
> >>> is a
> >>> capitalistic country, we put the government in a capitalistic
> >>> businesses
> >>> that makes money so we could even do away with the IRS. What
> >>> businesses
> >>> could the US government own: Oil, maybe transportation, medical
> >>> products -
> >>> give it some thought, even those who are blinded by words like
> >>> socialism
> >>> can
> >>> come up with certain industries the government can run and make
> >>> money on
> >>> while having congress as the board of directors and the citizens as
> >>> stockholders and no income taxes as dividends. Keep one tax, the
> >>> inheritance tax (there is no such thing as a death tax) because
> >>> if you do
> >>> not you will eventually loose your beloved democracy and end up
> >>> with a
> >>> new
> >>> form of rule by royalty and Brad will have one more things to
> >>> shed tears
> >>> over when he hears this new royalty's altered national melody and
> >>> words.
> >>>
> >>> Take the money and the time out of campaigning. Smart
> >>> rules can do
> >>> it. Everytime we feel it can't get more indecent, the following
> >>> election
> >>> again ups all antes until only the mob or the few inheritors of our
> >>> collective wealth will be able to throw their crown into the ring
> >>> - which
> >>> by
> >>> then will be just a tradition anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Stop patch work cures like solving the current economic view
> >>> with
> >>> this
> >>> plan that will end up giving China tons more of our money. Take the
> >>> current
> >>> handout and do something like sponsor an intermediate energy step
> >>> like
> >>> financing one 85% ethanol pump in all stations fanning out from
> >>> some auto
> >>> building center so that that company can turn out the same cars
> >>> in the US
> >>> that it now sells to Brazil. It will create more jobs, stop
> >>> money from
> >>> leaving the country in oil purchasing, maybe save our
> >>> about-to-move-into-second place auto industry and, as it catches
> >>> on (as
> >>> proven by Brazil), be self expanding - It hardly matters what the
> >>> project
> >>> chosen (Huckabee suggested I-95 expansion) - just do it here and
> >>> spend it
> >>> here and create jobs here.
> >>>
> >>> Stop the immigration nonsense. We need these workers. I can
> >>> write a
> >>> complete paper on this issue. For now I can tell you that if you
> >>> get rid
> >>> of
> >>> them you will get rid of what little manufacturing is left in this
> >>> country.
> >>> I can't believe we are not smart enough to solve this problem in a
> >>> productive way.
> >>>
> >>> Wake up to the fact that your body is a holistic machine.
> >>> Get the
> >>> drug
> >>> company influence off the backs of medical science and start the
> >>> emphasis
> >>> on
> >>> preventative medicine. In my opinion the reason the folks who
> >>> try to get
> >>> a
> >>> job at GB have trouble using their brain is due to nutrition -
> >>> they have
> >>> no
> >>> idea that what goes into their body is even more important than
> >>> making
> >>> the
> >>> effort to see that they put the right stuff into their car.
> >>> Start a
> >>> preventative medicine program starting with pregnant mothers who
> >>> smoke
> >>> (since most of you believe life starts when a sperm finds its
> >>> mark) and
> >>> if
> >>> they refuse, authorize the gun association to kill them so this
> >>> lobbying
> >>> group would then have a worthwhile purpose by helping start the
> >>> beginning
> >>> of
> >>> the ending or our endless expansion of our medical welfare costs..
> >>>
> >>> sorry, just getting started but am off to see the Wizard.
> >>>
> >>> Brad, I know you asked Robert, but this will teach you to give me
> >>> even a
> >>> second hand opening.
> >>>
> >>> ss/ec/gbi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:20 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - chicken
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Robert,
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's what Herb said, again, "So, how about producing some real
> >>>> concrete
> >>>> facts, or just admitting that it's just your left-wing propaganda".
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't neatly fit the label "right-wing" as Slim would like to
> >>>> believe
> >>>> nor
> >>>> do I think you fit into a "left-wing" label. What specific
> >>>> things would
> >>>> you
> >>>> like to see changed and how do you personally wish them to be
> >>>> changed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please refrain from Obama style, "Change we can believe in",
> >>>> "Hope", and
> >>>> other fluff, non-content positions, and faith-based statements.
> >>>>
> >>>> What specifically do you want the next President to reverse?
> >>>> Provide
> >>>> detail, please.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brad
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 12, 2008 9:35 AM, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> What you REALLY have is a deep resentment that in spite of
> >>>>>> what you
> >>>>>> see
> >>>>>> as a dangerous man, you couldn't muster the wherewithall to
> >>>>>> defeat
> >>>>>> him.
> >>>>>> So, how about producing some real concrete facts, or just
> >>>>>> admitting
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> it's just your left-wing propaganda.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Herb -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bush has been very happy to risk the country over
> >>>>> and over again in the political equivalent of a
> >>>>> teenager's game of chicken. Time after time, he
> >>>>> has shown himself willing to destroy our economy
> >>>>> if he doesn't get his way. Now he is succeeding,
> >>>>> despite some YouTube propaganda.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What the Democrats have is a collection of
> >>>>> congressmen and senators who decided to put the
> >>>>> country's needs ahead of their own preferences.
> >>>>> In the process, they allowed many things to
> >>>>> become law that are repugnant to a civilized
> >>>>> people. (Yes, torture is uncivilized!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They have witnessed, accepted, and presided over
> >>>>> the trashing of the social contract embodied in
> >>>>> our constitution and bill of rights, voiding the
> >>>>> mandate that put them in office.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This willingness to back down in the face of
> >>>>> superior bullheadedness and corporate bribes has
> >>>>> fueled youth's disgust with "establishment"
> >>>>> lawmakers of every stripe.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What a revolting development! The people who
> >>>>> will put the older generation into retirement
> >>>>> homes (read: jails for the unproductive) are
> >>>>> making themselves heard and seen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To paraphrase that reprehensible mayor of
> >>>>> Washington, DC: "Get used to it, oldster."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> /Robert (a young oldster)
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> >>
> >> --
> >> Herb Parsons
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> >>
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