[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel

Chris Crispel ccrispel at jeffnet.org
Wed Jan 23 16:15:11 EST 2008 

Hi Mary Lou:

Most of the vessels that ply that country are at least 27' vessels, usually 
with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel with a lot of lead in the fin.

Thanks

Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel


> Chris,
> A few more thoughts.
>
> I think Steve (Slim) makes a good distinction between two kinds of
> sailing. Do you want a small trailerable boat with its attendant
> characteristics or do you want a more solid ocean going boat that is
> less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft. are transportable if you
> have access to a crane (on both sides of the country) and a flatbed.
> The real consideration in my mind is how far you have to go and
> likely are you to get caught out in real weather - your definition
> but in my mind "real weather" does NOT include the passing squall. If
> you remember Paul Cleavenger's description of his capsize he says
> that had he been able to get the bow into the wind he might have
> weathered even the microburst. Note that the wave that capsized him
> built in a shallow river. I don't know the depths where you might be
> sailing but in true ocean depths waves won't build in a short squall.
>
> I think the question for you may be how likely are you to get caught
> out in weather systems that raise the winds above 25 knots for a day
> at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24 hours or more will build up
> bigger waves than a sudden brief squall. Somewhere between 20 and 30
> knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to tack into the wind.  The
> windage of the flared hull, the freeboard and rigging combine with
> the larger waves throwing you about and it all catches up to you. If
> you are sailing on the ocean, what are the distances between you and
> a safe harbor? Would you have enough notice of a weather system
> coming in to get there?
>
> We sail all over the Chesapeake in our Rhodes. Weather forecasting
> and delivery of weather information is good. We can pick our weather
> windows. Safe harbors are never more than 8 hours away.
>
> What do folks who sail your prospective cruising grounds sail? Are
> there boats under 30 ft? If folks are sailing newer small Catalinas
> and Hunters, they are probably not much more seaworthy than the
> Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks with bigger boats and while
> we are perhaps more cautious where the weather is concerned (our
> motto is "why get beat up if you don't have to?"), we don't miss
> much. For the most part we find that when we stay in because of the
> wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas stay in as well. Some of our
> friends in Island Packets or the guy with the Heritage West Indies 34
> will go out in higher winds and be comfortable.
>
> Again best of luck with your decision,
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
>>Steven:
>>
>>You have given sound advice.  I was just about to pack it in when I 
>>received
>>your e-mail.  Of course your right and will proceed cautiously.
>>
>>Thanks Again
>>
>>Chris
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>>
>>
>> > Chris,
>> >
>> > I think it all depends on how you like to sail.  Obviously the R22 is 
>> > much
>> > more tender than a full keel boat like the Dana, Flicka, Cape Dory,
>> > whatever, but I've been caught in high winds and have been way
>> > over-powered
>> > and dunked my rails and shipped water into the cockpit many times.  If 
>> > you
>> > don't mind riding a spirited horse then you'll be fine.  The boat is
>> > seaworthy as hell but in high winds, you're in for some "X sailing."
>> > Secure
>> > your gear and sail her like a laser.  I'm fine with that and the boat's
>> > fine
>> > with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like it that much.  Therein lies the
>> > question:  What does the Mrs. want?  I've finally learned to reef way 
>> > the
>> > hell in and sail upright in high winds and keep the crew happy and 
>> > safe.
>> > This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF with furling Genny--infinite 
>> > reefing
>> > capabilities.
>> >
>> > That said, the highest wind you can comfortably sail the R22 in is 
>> > about
>> > 27.  Beyond that the hull has too much windage to tack about.  In that
>> > case
>> > you have to jibe about, but you can still make way.  And if you're 
>> > going
>> > downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
>> >
>> > As for toughness, the R22 has 9 stays--each with it's own chainplate. 
>> > You
>> > could lose any two and the mast would still stand.  Ummm...probably.
>> >
>> > You said you are enamored by the Rhodes (as well you should be) for her
>> > many
>> > great features.  You said you want to explore the islands--with the
>> > combination keel of the Rhodes you can easily beach your boat on those
>> > islands.  You certainly can't do that with a full keel.
>> >
>> > You're an experienced sailor and you know big WX can f**k you up no 
>> > matter
>> > what boat you're on.  Examine your needs and wants and ask more 
>> > questions
>> > here.
>> >
>> > Re Panama, the San Blas are on the Caribbean side which is far more 
>> > calm
>> > than the Pacific.  I think you'd be fine with the R22.
>> >
>> > Slim
>> >
>> > On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> i have to ask a question. why are you buying a boat here and taking it 
>> >> to
>> >> panama? are you sailing it to panama, shipping it or driving down with 
>> >> it
>> >> on
>> >> a trailer?  i may have missed part of your explanation, somewhere. 
>> >> sorry,
>> >> i
>> >> just don't get it. are you going to be on the atlantic  or pacific 
>> >> side?
>> >>
>> >> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org> wrote:  You mean like a larger,
>> >> heavier boat with a diesel engine and prop (under
>> >> the hull)
>> >>
>> >> thanks, you and others are helping me make a decision.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Just bent"
>> >> To:
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris,
>> >> > I have not been sailing long but I have been out in some big weather 
>> >> > in
>> >> my
>> >> > R22, (on a lake) and the one thing that was a problem for me was the
>> >> motor
>> >> > hanging off the back of the boat. I was rolling so much the prop 
>> >> > would
>> >> > come
>> >> > out of the water. I remember thinking it might be better if the prop
>> >> > was
>> >> > under the boat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jb
>> >> > Just bent
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris Crispel wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Tootle:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm here on "the list" because I have been taken with the Rhodes 22
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> a major question that needs to be put to the members of 'the list".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My wife and I will be moving to the Republic of Panama to make it 
>> >> >> our
>> >> >> future
>> >> >> home. As you may know, there are no bays (to speak of) or lakes, 
>> >> >> just
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> ocean. My question is multifaceted- have any of you sailed offshore 
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean swells, what adjustments
>> >> >> (modifications)
>> >> >> would you make to increase safety and comfort aboard. Yes, I do 
>> >> >> know
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> one can sail in a cork, but who wants to be battered about in the
>> >> ocean.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have been sailing since the age of 16 and now I'm way, way, 
>> >> >> beyond
>> >> >> that.
>> >> >> I am a highly experienced sailor and my common sea sense is that 
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> vessel
>> >> >> is to small and subject to being tossed about like a cork. So, 
>> >> >> please
>> >> >> tell
>> >> >> me that I am wrong and making to much out of this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I currently reside in Ashland, Oregon and would love to meet other
>> >> owners
>> >> >> and their vessels. California and Oregon are the States where that
>> >> would
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> possible. However, if I can't meet everyone, then I will have to be
>> >> >> satisfied with "the list".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris Crispel
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Tootle"
>> >> >> To:
>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Chris,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now, just who are you? And where ya 
>> >> >>> be?
>> >> >>> And
>> >> >>> why ya here?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ed K
>> >> >>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >>> fishin' is like a box of chocolate.. u never no what your gonna
>> >> catch..
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> sometimes you catch nothing! Unattributed
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
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>> >> >>>
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