[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel

Wed Jan 23 23:06:09 EST 2008

Aw Chris,
                What a bummer, I just opened my email after a bit of a
haietus to find a felow (well potential) Rhodie right next door from Medford
where I live.  Tell you what, I'll try to change your mind AND I buy the
beer at Standing Stone.   Give me a call at 857-1061 anytime after 6 pm.  I
have a lot of sailing experience and have admitidly pushed the limits on the
boat but didn't find them, well maybe that one time with the tornado........

Chris Geankoplis
Medford, OR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel


> Yes, Robert, unfortunately it looks that way.  Not enough boat for my
> intended use.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>
>
> > Chris, given what you have laid out as
> > requirements, and the nature and depth
> > of your objections, it appears that you
> > have ruled out the Rhodes 22.  Is that
> > the case?
> >
> > /Robert
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Chris Crispel wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Mary Lou:
> >>
> >> Most of the vessels that ply that country are at least 27' vessels,
> >> usually
> >> with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel with a lot of lead in the fin.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
> >>
> >> > Chris,
> >> > A few more thoughts.
> >> >
> >> > I think Steve (Slim) makes a good distinction between two kinds of
> >> > sailing. Do you want a small trailerable boat with its attendant
> >> > characteristics or do you want a more solid ocean going boat that is
> >> > less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft. are transportable if you
> >> > have access to a crane (on both sides of the country) and a flatbed.
> >> > The real consideration in my mind is how far you have to go and
> >> > likely are you to get caught out in real weather - your definition
> >> > but in my mind "real weather" does NOT include the passing squall. If
> >> > you remember Paul Cleavenger's description of his capsize he says
> >> > that had he been able to get the bow into the wind he might have
> >> > weathered even the microburst. Note that the wave that capsized him
> >> > built in a shallow river. I don't know the depths where you might be
> >> > sailing but in true ocean depths waves won't build in a short squall.
> >> >
> >> > I think the question for you may be how likely are you to get caught
> >> > out in weather systems that raise the winds above 25 knots for a day
> >> > at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24 hours or more will build up
> >> > bigger waves than a sudden brief squall. Somewhere between 20 and 30
> >> > knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to tack into the wind.  The
> >> > windage of the flared hull, the freeboard and rigging combine with
> >> > the larger waves throwing you about and it all catches up to you. If
> >> > you are sailing on the ocean, what are the distances between you and
> >> > a safe harbor? Would you have enough notice of a weather system
> >> > coming in to get there?
> >> >
> >> > We sail all over the Chesapeake in our Rhodes. Weather forecasting
> >> > and delivery of weather information is good. We can pick our weather
> >> > windows. Safe harbors are never more than 8 hours away.
> >> >
> >> > What do folks who sail your prospective cruising grounds sail? Are
> >> > there boats under 30 ft? If folks are sailing newer small Catalinas
> >> > and Hunters, they are probably not much more seaworthy than the
> >> > Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks with bigger boats and while
> >> > we are perhaps more cautious where the weather is concerned (our
> >> > motto is "why get beat up if you don't have to?"), we don't miss
> >> > much. For the most part we find that when we stay in because of the
> >> > wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas stay in as well. Some of our
> >> > friends in Island Packets or the guy with the Heritage West Indies 34
> >> > will go out in higher winds and be comfortable.
> >> >
> >> > Again best of luck with your decision,
> >> > Mary Lou
> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >> > Rock Hall, MD
> >> >
> >> > At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
> >> >>Steven:
> >> >>
> >> >>You have given sound advice.  I was just about to pack it in when I
> >> >>received
> >> >>your e-mail.  Of course your right and will proceed cautiously.
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks Again
> >> >>
> >> >>Chris
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Chris,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think it all depends on how you like to sail.  Obviously the R22
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > much
> >> >> > more tender than a full keel boat like the Dana, Flicka, Cape
Dory,
> >> >> > whatever, but I've been caught in high winds and have been way
> >> >> > over-powered
> >> >> > and dunked my rails and shipped water into the cockpit many times.
> >> >> > If
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > don't mind riding a spirited horse then you'll be fine.  The boat
is
> >> >> > seaworthy as hell but in high winds, you're in for some "X
sailing."
> >> >> > Secure
> >> >> > your gear and sail her like a laser.  I'm fine with that and the
> >> >> > boat's
> >> >> > fine
> >> >> > with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like it that much.  Therein lies
the
> >> >> > question:  What does the Mrs. want?  I've finally learned to reef
> >> >> > way
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > hell in and sail upright in high winds and keep the crew happy and
> >> >> > safe.
> >> >> > This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF with furling Genny--infinite
> >> >> > reefing
> >> >> > capabilities.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That said, the highest wind you can comfortably sail the R22 in is
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > 27.  Beyond that the hull has too much windage to tack about.  In
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > case
> >> >> > you have to jibe about, but you can still make way.  And if you're
> >> >> > going
> >> >> > downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As for toughness, the R22 has 9 stays--each with it's own
> >> >> > chainplate.
> >> >> > You
> >> >> > could lose any two and the mast would still stand.
Ummm...probably.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You said you are enamored by the Rhodes (as well you should be)
for
> >> >> > her
> >> >> > many
> >> >> > great features.  You said you want to explore the islands--with
the
> >> >> > combination keel of the Rhodes you can easily beach your boat on
> >> >> > those
> >> >> > islands.  You certainly can't do that with a full keel.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You're an experienced sailor and you know big WX can f**k you up
no
> >> >> > matter
> >> >> > what boat you're on.  Examine your needs and wants and ask more
> >> >> > questions
> >> >> > here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Re Panama, the San Blas are on the Caribbean side which is far
more
> >> >> > calm
> >> >> > than the Pacific.  I think you'd be fine with the R22.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Slim
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> i have to ask a question. why are you buying a boat here and
taking
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> panama? are you sailing it to panama, shipping it or driving down
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> a trailer?  i may have missed part of your explanation, somewhere
.
> >> >> >> sorry,
> >> >> >> i
> >> >> >> just don't get it. are you going to be on the atlantic  or
pacific
> >> >> >> side?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org> wrote:  You mean like a
> >> >> >> larger,
> >> >> >> heavier boat with a diesel engine and prop (under
> >> >> >> the hull)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> thanks, you and others are helping me make a decision.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Chris
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Just bent"
> >> >> >> To:
> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Chris,
> >> >> >> > I have not been sailing long but I have been out in some big
> >> >> >> > weather
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> > R22, (on a lake) and the one thing that was a problem for me
was
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> motor
> >> >> >> > hanging off the back of the boat. I was rolling so much the
prop
> >> >> >> > would
> >> >> >> > come
> >> >> >> > out of the water. I remember thinking it might be better if the
> >> >> >> > prop
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > under the boat.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Jb
> >> >> >> > Just bent
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Chris Crispel wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hi Tootle:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I'm here on "the list" because I have been taken with the
Rhodes
> >> >> >> >> 22
> >> >> >> >> but
> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> a major question that needs to be put to the members of 'the
> >> >> >> >> list".
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> My wife and I will be moving to the Republic of Panama to make
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> our
> >> >> >> >> future
> >> >> >> >> home. As you may know, there are no bays (to speak of) or
lakes,
> >> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> ocean. My question is multifaceted- have any of you sailed
> >> >> >> >> offshore
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean swells, what adjustments
> >> >> >> >> (modifications)
> >> >> >> >> would you make to increase safety and comfort aboard. Yes, I
do
> >> >> >> >> know
> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> one can sail in a cork, but who wants to be battered about in
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> ocean.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I have been sailing since the age of 16 and now I'm way, way,
> >> >> >> >> beyond
> >> >> >> >> that.
> >> >> >> >> I am a highly experienced sailor and my common sea sense is
that
> >> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> >> vessel
> >> >> >> >> is to small and subject to being tossed about like a cork. So,
> >> >> >> >> please
> >> >> >> >> tell
> >> >> >> >> me that I am wrong and making to much out of this.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I currently reside in Ashland, Oregon and would love to meet
> >> >> >> >> other
> >> >> >> owners
> >> >> >> >> and their vessels. California and Oregon are the States where
> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> possible. However, if I can't meet everyone, then I will have
to
> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> satisfied with "the list".
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Many Thanks
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Chris Crispel
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >> From: "Tootle"
> >> >> >> >> To:
> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 AM
> >> >> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Chris,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now, just who are you? And where
ya
> >> >> >> >>> be?
> >> >> >> >>> And
> >> >> >> >>> why ya here?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Ed K
> >> >> >> >>> Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >> >>> fishin' is like a box of chocolate.. u never no what your
gonna
> >> >> >> catch..
> >> >> >> >>> and
> >> >> >> >>> sometimes you catch nothing! Unattributed
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >> >>> View this message in context:
> >> >> >> >>> http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15022481.html
> >> >> >> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> __________________________________________________
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> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________
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> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > View this message in context:
> >> >> >> > http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15034016.html
> >> >> >> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > __________________________________________________
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> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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