[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel

Wed Jan 23 23:21:12 EST 2008

Your on!  Will give you a call tomorrow.

Cheers

Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel

> Aw Chris,
>                What a bummer, I just opened my email after a bit of a
> haietus to find a felow (well potential) Rhodie right next door from 
> Medford
> where I live.  Tell you what, I'll try to change your mind AND I buy the
> beer at Standing Stone.   Give me a call at 857-1061 anytime after 6 pm. 
> I
> have a lot of sailing experience and have admitidly pushed the limits on 
> the
> boat but didn't find them, well maybe that one time with the 
> tornado........
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Medford, OR
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>
>
>> Yes, Robert, unfortunately it looks that way.  Not enough boat for my
>> intended use.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>
>>
>> > Chris, given what you have laid out as
>> > requirements, and the nature and depth
>> > of your objections, it appears that you
>> > have ruled out the Rhodes 22.  Is that
>> > the case?
>> >
>> > /Robert
>> > ---------------------------------------
>> > Chris Crispel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Mary Lou:
>> >>
>> >> Most of the vessels that ply that country are at least 27' vessels,
>> >> usually
>> >> with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel with a lot of lead in the fin.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
>> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>> >>
>> >> > Chris,
>> >> > A few more thoughts.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think Steve (Slim) makes a good distinction between two kinds of
>> >> > sailing. Do you want a small trailerable boat with its attendant
>> >> > characteristics or do you want a more solid ocean going boat that is
>> >> > less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft. are transportable if you
>> >> > have access to a crane (on both sides of the country) and a flatbed.
>> >> > The real consideration in my mind is how far you have to go and
>> >> > likely are you to get caught out in real weather - your definition
>> >> > but in my mind "real weather" does NOT include the passing squall. 
>> >> > If
>> >> > you remember Paul Cleavenger's description of his capsize he says
>> >> > that had he been able to get the bow into the wind he might have
>> >> > weathered even the microburst. Note that the wave that capsized him
>> >> > built in a shallow river. I don't know the depths where you might be
>> >> > sailing but in true ocean depths waves won't build in a short 
>> >> > squall.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the question for you may be how likely are you to get caught
>> >> > out in weather systems that raise the winds above 25 knots for a day
>> >> > at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24 hours or more will build up
>> >> > bigger waves than a sudden brief squall. Somewhere between 20 and 30
>> >> > knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to tack into the wind.  The
>> >> > windage of the flared hull, the freeboard and rigging combine with
>> >> > the larger waves throwing you about and it all catches up to you. If
>> >> > you are sailing on the ocean, what are the distances between you and
>> >> > a safe harbor? Would you have enough notice of a weather system
>> >> > coming in to get there?
>> >> >
>> >> > We sail all over the Chesapeake in our Rhodes. Weather forecasting
>> >> > and delivery of weather information is good. We can pick our weather
>> >> > windows. Safe harbors are never more than 8 hours away.
>> >> >
>> >> > What do folks who sail your prospective cruising grounds sail? Are
>> >> > there boats under 30 ft? If folks are sailing newer small Catalinas
>> >> > and Hunters, they are probably not much more seaworthy than the
>> >> > Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks with bigger boats and while
>> >> > we are perhaps more cautious where the weather is concerned (our
>> >> > motto is "why get beat up if you don't have to?"), we don't miss
>> >> > much. For the most part we find that when we stay in because of the
>> >> > wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas stay in as well. Some of 
>> >> > our
>> >> > friends in Island Packets or the guy with the Heritage West Indies 
>> >> > 34
>> >> > will go out in higher winds and be comfortable.
>> >> >
>> >> > Again best of luck with your decision,
>> >> > Mary Lou
>> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
>> >> > Rock Hall, MD
>> >> >
>> >> > At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >>Steven:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>You have given sound advice.  I was just about to pack it in when I
>> >> >>received
>> >> >>your e-mail.  Of course your right and will proceed cautiously.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Thanks Again
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Chris
>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>> >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Chris,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I think it all depends on how you like to sail.  Obviously the 
>> >> >> > R22
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > much
>> >> >> > more tender than a full keel boat like the Dana, Flicka, Cape
> Dory,
>> >> >> > whatever, but I've been caught in high winds and have been way
>> >> >> > over-powered
>> >> >> > and dunked my rails and shipped water into the cockpit many 
>> >> >> > times.
>> >> >> > If
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > don't mind riding a spirited horse then you'll be fine.  The boat
> is
>> >> >> > seaworthy as hell but in high winds, you're in for some "X
> sailing."
>> >> >> > Secure
>> >> >> > your gear and sail her like a laser.  I'm fine with that and the
>> >> >> > boat's
>> >> >> > fine
>> >> >> > with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like it that much.  Therein lies
> the
>> >> >> > question:  What does the Mrs. want?  I've finally learned to reef
>> >> >> > way
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > hell in and sail upright in high winds and keep the crew happy 
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > safe.
>> >> >> > This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF with furling Genny--infinite
>> >> >> > reefing
>> >> >> > capabilities.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That said, the highest wind you can comfortably sail the R22 in 
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > about
>> >> >> > 27.  Beyond that the hull has too much windage to tack about.  In
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > case
>> >> >> > you have to jibe about, but you can still make way.  And if 
>> >> >> > you're
>> >> >> > going
>> >> >> > downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > As for toughness, the R22 has 9 stays--each with it's own
>> >> >> > chainplate.
>> >> >> > You
>> >> >> > could lose any two and the mast would still stand.
> Ummm...probably.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You said you are enamored by the Rhodes (as well you should be)
> for
>> >> >> > her
>> >> >> > many
>> >> >> > great features.  You said you want to explore the islands--with
> the
>> >> >> > combination keel of the Rhodes you can easily beach your boat on
>> >> >> > those
>> >> >> > islands.  You certainly can't do that with a full keel.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You're an experienced sailor and you know big WX can f**k you up
> no
>> >> >> > matter
>> >> >> > what boat you're on.  Examine your needs and wants and ask more
>> >> >> > questions
>> >> >> > here.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Re Panama, the San Blas are on the Caribbean side which is far
> more
>> >> >> > calm
>> >> >> > than the Pacific.  I think you'd be fine with the R22.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Slim
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> i have to ask a question. why are you buying a boat here and
> taking
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> panama? are you sailing it to panama, shipping it or driving 
>> >> >> >> down
>> >> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> a trailer?  i may have missed part of your explanation, 
>> >> >> >> somewhere
> .
>> >> >> >> sorry,
>> >> >> >> i
>> >> >> >> just don't get it. are you going to be on the atlantic  or
> pacific
>> >> >> >> side?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org> wrote:  You mean like a
>> >> >> >> larger,
>> >> >> >> heavier boat with a diesel engine and prop (under
>> >> >> >> the hull)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> thanks, you and others are helping me make a decision.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chris
>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> From: "Just bent"
>> >> >> >> To:
>> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Chris,
>> >> >> >> > I have not been sailing long but I have been out in some big
>> >> >> >> > weather
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> my
>> >> >> >> > R22, (on a lake) and the one thing that was a problem for me
> was
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> motor
>> >> >> >> > hanging off the back of the boat. I was rolling so much the
> prop
>> >> >> >> > would
>> >> >> >> > come
>> >> >> >> > out of the water. I remember thinking it might be better if 
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > prop
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > under the boat.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Jb
>> >> >> >> > Just bent
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Chris Crispel wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Tootle:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I'm here on "the list" because I have been taken with the
> Rhodes
>> >> >> >> >> 22
>> >> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> a major question that needs to be put to the members of 'the
>> >> >> >> >> list".
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> My wife and I will be moving to the Republic of Panama to 
>> >> >> >> >> make
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> our
>> >> >> >> >> future
>> >> >> >> >> home. As you may know, there are no bays (to speak of) or
> lakes,
>> >> >> >> >> just
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> ocean. My question is multifaceted- have any of you sailed
>> >> >> >> >> offshore
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean swells, what adjustments
>> >> >> >> >> (modifications)
>> >> >> >> >> would you make to increase safety and comfort aboard. Yes, I
> do
>> >> >> >> >> know
>> >> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> one can sail in a cork, but who wants to be battered about in
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> ocean.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I have been sailing since the age of 16 and now I'm way, way,
>> >> >> >> >> beyond
>> >> >> >> >> that.
>> >> >> >> >> I am a highly experienced sailor and my common sea sense is
> that
>> >> >> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> >> vessel
>> >> >> >> >> is to small and subject to being tossed about like a cork. 
>> >> >> >> >> So,
>> >> >> >> >> please
>> >> >> >> >> tell
>> >> >> >> >> me that I am wrong and making to much out of this.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I currently reside in Ashland, Oregon and would love to meet
>> >> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> owners
>> >> >> >> >> and their vessels. California and Oregon are the States where
>> >> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> would
>> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> possible. However, if I can't meet everyone, then I will have
> to
>> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> satisfied with "the list".
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Many Thanks
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Chris Crispel
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> >> From: "Tootle"
>> >> >> >> >> To:
>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 AM
>> >> >> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Chris,
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now, just who are you? And where
> ya
>> >> >> >> >>> be?
>> >> >> >> >>> And
>> >> >> >> >>> why ya here?
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Ed K
>> >> >> >> >>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >> >> >>> fishin' is like a box of chocolate.. u never no what your
> gonna
>> >> >> >> catch..
>> >> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >> >>> sometimes you catch nothing! Unattributed
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >> >>> View this message in context:
>> >> >> >> >>> http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15022481.html
>> >> >> >> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> __________________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > View this message in context:
>> >> >> >> > http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15034016.html
>> >> >> >> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > __________________________________________________
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>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
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