[Rhodes22-list] Tom's Boom Pin Question - My solution

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Wed Jul 16 12:04:35 EDT 2008


Rather than using screws and such, why not equip your on-board tool kit with 
a few fast pins of various diameters and lengths to use temporarily or in 
emergencies.  Next time you wander through WM or your favorite sail hardware 
website, just buy a couple of 3/16" to 1/4" diameter, 1", 2" and 3" pins to 
have when needed.  In addition, I always carry scraps of wire (mostly 12-2 
w/gnd) to use for whatever.  Before I changed the cockpit seat drains to 
larger diameters, the wire was routinely used as a "snake" to clear debris. 
When I lost the fast pin below our boom, I used a piece of wire (with 
insulation) to secure it until I had replaced the pin.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:14 AM
> Art,
> The simple and proper solution is to order the replacement from GB. Stan 
> is
> known for sending parts out quickly. In the interim, I would use a roofing
> nail.  It doesn't have coarse threads and it has a large head which will 
> keep it
> from  disappearing into the mast and it is galvanized which means it won't
> rust. I  replaced my cars with new factory replacements several years ago 
> and the
> newer  plastic holds up much better.
> Different way to approach sail management in heavy air, but the majority 
> of
> skippers will lower the boom prior to reducing sail. The main reason would 
> be
> not to give up hull speed and still maintain control. If I know what the
> winds  are prior to going out, I will adjust the boom and the sheets 
> accordingly.
> Making any further adjustments while out sailing are usually done after
> furling  all sail and then going forward if need be. Furling Jenny and 
> furling main
> sail  make it an easy proposition, unless you have had to much rum to 
> drink,
> which I  never do while sailing.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 7/16/2008 9:55:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> czerwonky at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> Given the unavailability of the car, and hopefully it is  available from
> Stan, I stand by my interim recommendation.  A replacement  car is 
> obviously the
> better long term choice.  Additionally, I would have  the boom supported 
> in
> either upper or lower position by some means, if a  replacement car is not 
> fixed
> to the mast.  What better temporary  alternative do you recommend to a
> properly fitted screw?  A fastpin is  possible but may be too large.  In 
> no case
> would I allow the boom to be  supported be the smaller PT fixture.
>
> We have have a different approach  to sail management. Underway solo, if
> winds get heavy enough, I will first  first shorten the mainsail and 
> headsail
> versus lowering the boom.  I  would never leave the helm or cockpit in 
> heavy or
> gusty wind conditions - not  good headwork.  If I had a reliable crew I 
> might
> then lower the boom, and  then possibly readjust the sails. Best 
> resolution of
> all, as we have learned,  is to anticipate wind conditions before getting
> underway.
>
> I also  prefer the cockpit mobility available with the boom up.
>
> Ultimately, the  greatest attribute of a good skipper depends on brain 
> mass,
> not body  mass.
>
> Chow,
>
> Art
>
>
>
> -----Original  Message-----
>>From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>Sent: Jul 16, 2008 8:39  AM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  progress/bad advice
>>
>>Art,
>>Not good advice. A replacement  car is readily available from GB. I 
>>wouldn't
>
>>use anything but an  original replacement and certainly not a machine 
>>screw.
>
>>Being  able to drop the boom is one of the easiest ways to adjust the
> rigging
>>for  big winds. However, some of our Rhodies obviously have  enough mass
> that
>>they  don't have a need to lower the center of  effort on their boat. :)
>>
>>Rummy
>>
>>
>>In a  message dated 7/16/2008 7:44:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>czerwonky at earthlink.net writes:
>>
>>Tom,
>>I wouldn't  lose sleep over the archives issue.  Our  Rhoadie skippers, 
>>with
>
>>just a few exceptions, have enough patience with our  fleet  colleagues to
>>address specific questions like this, even given that  many  are repeated.
> Your
>>picture says it all - you can see  both pins are the  same - Stan will
> probably
>>not have a  replacement, but can tell you where he  gets the assembled
> 'car'.   In
>>the interim, the boom will have to be moved  up or down  infrequently - I
> have
>>never had to put mine into the lower  position  - use a #6 machine screw 
>>(or
>>one with reasonable fit,  including length) from  HD to hold it in either
>>position, until  you can replace the pin.  Stan  may be able to send you a
>>replacement car for a   cost.
>>R,
>>Art
>>
>>-----Original  Message-----
>>>From: Tom Hogarty   <tjhogarty at gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Jul 15, 2008 7:42  PM
>>>To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  progress
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks, Art,  here is a picture of parts of the  two "cars" on the lower
>>mast.
>>>I can see the indentation where the  collar of the boom pin  latch  fit.
> How
>>>do I obtain and  replace the  pin?  Does the mast need to be lowered?
>>>I did not find   the archives helpful.
>>>Many Thanks,
>>>Tom   http://www.nabble.com/file/p18477261/IMG_0657.jpeg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Arthur H. Czerwonky  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>> Re. the  boom dropping - yes, there is a separate  pin latch for each 
>>>> of
> the
>>>> two 'cars' that travel up and down the  mast.   Be aware that on the 
>>>> IMF
>>>> mast, when you adjust the  upper  car, the IMF sail and its furling 
>>>> tube
>>>> ride up or down  the  mast also, so additional weight is involved.  I
>>>>  believe the  pin for the upper car will be 28 1/2 " above the base of
> the
>>>>  mast.
>>>> Happy sailing on a spectacular  boat!
>>>>  Art
>>>>
>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>>>From:  Tom Hogarty  <tjhogarty at gmail.com>
>>>>>Sent: Jul 13, 2008 9:33   PM
>>>>>To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>Subject:   [Rhodes22-list]    progress
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mast went  up on our  newly named "acorn" this afternoon.  Yoke and 
>>>>>mast
>>>winch
>>>>>worked great as did the help from  the  documentation by former owner, 
>>>>>Bob
>>>>>Dobson,   this wonderful  forum, and Stan's great engineering.  Easy as
>>pie!
>>>>>Skiptress Alice cranked it all by  herself.  I had thought  we would 
>>>>>need
> to
>>>>>host a  barn raising party, but we did it all  by ourselfs.  It did 
>>>>>take
>>>much,
>>>>>much longer than 20  minutes,  but we learned so much about our boat in
> the
>>>>>process.  Acorn is still trailered at Holiday Hill  on  the Rhodes 
>>>>>River
>>>south
>>>>>of Annapolis and  has a mess of  details to go before launch.  I pulled
> the
>>>>>pin to lower  the pop top mast attachment and the  boom came down as
> well.
>>>Is
>>>>>there a  separate control pin for the boom?  The  pin for the pop  top
>>>>>attachment is on the starboard side of the   mast.  None on the port 
>>>>>side
>>>>>where I might expect on  for  the boom.  My archive search was not as
> yet
>>>>>helpful.
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Tom   Hogarty
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