[Rhodes22-list] Information gathering

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 23 16:07:52 EDT 2008


You got it, Rummy.

Now let's see if we can put up or shut up...and what about the one who attacks the peacemakers???

I'll take sasparilla.

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Wed, 7/23/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:

> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Information gathering
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 11:26 AM
> Elle,
> This list is not my sandbox. I'm just trying to get you
> to understand that  
> we all are responsible for the content of the list. If
> something is out of line 
>  or objectionable or inflammatory, it's up to ALL of us
> to correct the 
> behavior  or leave it alone. Pressure from list members is
> going to have more of an 
> effect  than one person leaving the list because they
> didn't like something 
> someone  said.
> Belly up to the bar boys and girls, the drinks are on me.
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a message dated 7/23/2008 11:22:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time,  
> watermusic38 at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> OK, Mr.  Rummmmmmmy ;^), I did just that..just in case i
> was forgetting or  
> unremembering something...
> 
> Some (what I thought) were more pertinent  points...and I
> quote:
> 
> 1. * The  level of discussion does not have  to be fit for
> a child, but 
> some good taste  is expected.   (Hmmmm..kinda lost that for
> a while....)
> 
> 2. Netiquette: Posts to the  group are expected to be
> considerate of  other 
> readers. Personal  abuse, flames, and obscenities are 
> *not* 
> appreciated; but we are  sailors....... (yea...but
> we're not down at the 
> level of powerboaters. Not a  slur..just an observation
> based on working for three 
> years at a very busy  marina)
> 
> 3. There is a high level of chitchat on the list, and what
> you  might think 
> is  insulting to a group or region might only be people 
> kidding each other 
> after  knowing them for years. (if we can't tell 
> kidding from nasty & insult 
> then it must be nasty & insult.)
> 
> 3.  As in any bar, the subjects of politics and religion 
> can lead to heated  
> augments and bar fights. These might be best  avoided. 
> 
> Again,  Rummy, I know this is your sandbox & i'm
> just a guest....I'm not 
> trying to  run things or be a schoolmarm trying to stifle
> free speech...more like 
> a mom  who feels bad whenher kids re fighting 7 can't
> get'em to stop.
> 
> Again,  what do  'nasty , overbearing and crude'
> add to any discussiion? We 
> know  you're guys...;^)
> 
> elle
> 
> 
> 
> We can't change the angle of the  wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
> 
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc  '06  "WaterMusic"  
> (Lady in Red)
> 
> 
> --- On Wed,  7/23/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com
> <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> >  From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Information gathering
> > To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 10:50  AM
> > Elle,
> > You are correct, communities change. People come and 
> people
> > go, but this  
> > list has a charter. It's kinda like  the
> constitution.
> > It's what we live by on da  
> > list. If  you find someone's actions or posts
> offensive,
> > do something about  
> > it.  Contact them directly, off the list and deal with
>  the
> > problem, don't try to 
> > fix  what ain't broken. Reread  the charter so
> that you
> > understand what it 
> > says and   what was meant when it was adopted many,
> many
> > years ago. The founding  
> > fathers  were brilliant people.
> >  
> >  Rummy
> >  
> >  
> > In a message dated 7/23/2008  8:36:18 A.M. Eastern
> Daylight
> > Time,  
> >  watermusic38 at yahoo.com writes:
> > 
> > Rummy,
> > 
> >  Communities change and grow in directions influenced
> by 
> > their  deinzens.
> > 
> > The tone of 'da list' has become quite more
> >  abrasive  and bullying than it 
> > was before I joined...& i  lurked for quite a long
>  time
> > before my first posting.
> >  
> > Yahoo has an integrated address book w/in  its mail
> >  program...I occasionally 
> > go thru it & delete duplicate   addresses...I did
> this
> > address the other 
> > day....and was  really surprised at  the number of
> names
> > that were frequent  posters 
> > back when I was lurking but  haven't been heard of
>  for
> > quite a while.
> > 
> > If this list doesn't grow,  it  will collapse
> under the
> > weight of the bully 
> >  rhetoric. It is my opinion that  the tone has changed
> > BECAUSE  there is very 
> > little new input...the newbies  don't  stick 
> around for
> > civility to take over. 
> > They have no idea that  it  is any different than the
> > snapshot they see.
> > 
> >  There will be no fresh  ideas w/o fresh faces.....and
> once
> > you  guys finish 
> > beating up on each  other...what will be left?   Wait
> for
> > another election to 
> > start over  again? That'll  get old for you guys,
> too.
> > 
> > The list does sit dormant  now  for a day or
> so...often
> > after an acrimonious 
> >  beating......
> > 
> > The founding  fellas of 'da list' are 'way
>  past
> > the need for sailing advice 
> > other than the  "Hey,  wouldja lookit this"
> type
> > posting.....it's the newbies 
> > that  keep you  rethinking technique and methods
> w/their
> >  questions....
> > 
> > So either 'da  list' will become  a  closed
> > community of a few who beat up on 
> > each other  for  sport, or it will be an
> > 'interesting' place to hang around for  
> > info on  sailing & whatever floats  by.
> >  
> > Whatever....
> > 
> > elle
> > 
> > 
> > We can't  change the angle of  the wind....but we
> can
> > adjust our  sails.
> > 
> > 1992 Rhodes 22    Recyc '06  
> "WaterMusic"  
> > (Lady in Red)
> > 
> > 
> > --- On  Wed,  7/23/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > <R22RumRunner at aol.com>  wrote:
> > 
> > >  From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >  <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Information
> gathering
> > > To:   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008,  7:59  AM
> > > Arthur,
> > > As has been stated previously,  this list was 
> started
> > > because we wanted to  be  
> > > able to post pictures  and not have to worry
> about  a
> > sailnet
> > > moderator  
> > >  stepping in  to control our conversations. With
> all
> > due
> > > respect,  you  are very new  to 
> > > all of us and I don't believe  that you are
> in  a
> > > position to decide where the   
> > > list should go or how it  should be run. This is
> a
> >  > community. We have a 
> > > charter   and when someone  steps over the bounds
> of
> > the
> > > charter, we police   ourselves. 
> > > Yes,  I am concerned that a poll from 268 non  
> > participating
> > > people would lead 
> > > us in  a  direction the  original founders and
> >  participating
> > > members of this 
> > > list   don't  want it to go in. We have lost
> a few
> > people
> > >  over the  years, but the 
> > > list is  still strong with a  large knowledge
> base  and
> > we
> > > will continue this  
> > > way for many  years. Read the  charter.
> Understand  it
> > and if
> > > you think someone 
> > > has  stepped  over  the line, call them on it,
> but
> > leave  this
> > > site the way it  is.
> > >  
> > >  Rummy said that.
> > >  
> > >   
> > > In  a message dated 7/22/2008 9:54:41 P.M.
> Eastern
> > Daylight
> >  >  Time,  
> > > czerwonky at earthlink.net writes:
> >  > 
> > >  John,
> > > 
> > > I have no objection  to having a poll.  Rummy,
> are  you
> > 
> > > worried  what results 
> > > will show?  Stan has sent  potential  skippers to
> the 
> > list
> > > as a promotional 
> >  >  witness, I have some doubts about whether it
> helps
> > his  
> > > efforts.   I think the 
> > > prime objective  for those subscribing to the
> list   is
> > > building their  sailing 
> > > knowledge and cohesion in the  fleet.  The  often
> 
> > exagerated
> > > and pointless emotion 
> >  >  and language may provide a momentary email 
> thrill,
> >  but
> > > face it  folks, there 
> > > are better ways to  get the points  across.   
> > > 
> > > A poll  could have distorted for sure, but not
> only  
> > because
> >  > of the votes of 
> > > new skippers who are sick of   political
> posturing, but
> >  due
> > > to the loss over  
> > > time of  excellent former members who were sick
> of  the
> > 
> > > bickering and were  labeled 
> > > as  internet police and the like, just for 
> expressing 
> > their
> >  > feelings 
> > > honestly.  Numerous newbies and  veterans  have 
> been
> > treated
> > > in this  way.
> > > 
> > > It has been  suggested that the Rhodes  22 
> sailing
> > advocates
> > > post their  
> > >  messages on Sailnet or some other forum instead 
> of
> > this
> >  >  one.  I suggest that 
> > > Rhodes22.org is by  definition a  Rhodes22 
> sailing
> > site, and
> > > that  if someone really 
> > > wants  to post political swill,  they  should
> have no
> > right
> > > to soil the   Rhodes22 
> > > skipper list or the Rhodes 22  name.  Maybe  a 
> more
> > > appropriate site should be 
> > > their  destination when   they lose control.  
> > > 
> >  > Nothing wrong with meaningful  political 
> insights,
> > but  in
> > > the tone and manner 
> > > I have  seen, it is  just way  overdone.
> > > 
> > > I refer back to   sometimes comments about an
> unnamed
> > member
> > > of  our  fleet -  
> > > those who cannot get their point across in a
> civil  way
> > are 
> > >  demonstrating their 
> > >  'mounting problems' to everyone now or
> later 
> > who
> > >  reads  about our Rhodes 22 
> > > boat and fleet.   Some  legacy we help provide to
> 
> > Stan.  As
> > > he has gotten  into  
> > > some of the dialogue, I have not seen a need  by 
> him
> > to  be
> > > foul in doing so.  
> > >  Maybe we could follow his   example...
> > > 
> > >  Art
> > > 
> > > -----Original  Message-----
> > >  >From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >Sent:  Jul 22, 2008  7:04 PM
> > > >To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >  >  >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Information 
> >  gathering
> > >  >
> > > >John,
> > >  >Taking a poll is a lousy idea. You  are 
> giving
> >  people
> > > that have never and  
> > >  >probably  will never add  anything to the
> list
> > decide
> > >  what  direction we go 
> > > in. I  
> > > >think  if  anyone wanted  to, they could
> certainly
> > > express  their opinions 
> > > freely   
> > > >on  da  list. I think the majority of the
> people
> > like  it
> > >  just  fine. Everyone 
> > > >knows  how to use the   delete button. There
> are 
> > times
> > > when I don't have the  
> > >  time 
> > > >to read  all posts, but  will  sift through
> the 
> > ones
> > > that are sailing  related.
> > > > 
> > > >Rummy
> > >   >  
> > > > 
> > > >In a message dated 7/22/2008  4:58:17  P.M.
> Eastern
> > > Daylight  Time,  
> >  >  >jlock at relevantarts.com writes:
> > > >
> > >  >At   04:25  PM 7/22/2008 -0400, Michael D.
> Weisner
> >  > wrote:
> > >  >>I wonder  if we can try to   solve the
> problem
> > a bit
> > >  differently than   
> > > chasing
> > > >>otherwise good  folks   off the list. 
> Maybe
> > John 
> > > can set up a  third
> > >  >>distribution mode in  addition to  
> > > "Non-digested" and 
> "Digested",
> > >  something
> > > >>called "Sailing    limited" 
> which
> > would
> > > only receive items of sailing 
> >  >  interest.
> > > >>Maybe  we  could use a  prefixed subject 
> line
> > > modifier such as "Sailing:"   to
> > > >>direct   these posts to the limited list 
> as
> > well as
> > > the  general  list.
> > >  >>Forgetting  to add the subject line
> modifier  
> >  will
> > > only affect those who do
> > > >>not wish   to be on  "da list",
>  not
> > the
> > > rest of us.   John, is such a    thing
> > > >>doable?
> > >  >
> > > >Doable, but probably  not  practical.  
> Besides 
> > the
> > > programing involved,  
> > >  >it depends on  the poster remembering to
> place the
> > 
> >  >  magic word in the 
> > > >subject  line.  We  all know how well  THAT 
> works!
> > > >
> > >  >Seriously...  before we can  discuss making
> any
> >  changes,
> > > we need  more  
> > >   >information.  Right now we have no sense of
> what
> > the 
> >  >  majority  
> > > >wants.  We've heard from the  usual
> suspects 
> > on 
> > > what they want, but  
> >  > >there are 268 list members;  most of whom 
> have
> >  not
> > > stated a  preference.
> > >  >
> >  > >We might assume that  everything is
> hunky-dory, 
> >  since
> > > we  don't have 
> > > >268   complaints.  But  that may be because
> no good
> > 
> > >  alternatives have  
> > > >been  proposed.
> > >  >
> > > >I'd like to suggest a simple    poll.  I 
> can
> > whip
> > > one up in a few 
> > > >minutes and  post  the URL to  the  list. 
> > We'll run
> > > it  for a couple  
> > > >weeks and see what  kind of  stats  come out.
>  
> > Might be
> > > interesting to  
> > > >have some  facts to kick  around...   yes?
> > > >
> > > >Cheers!
> > > >
> >  >  >John  Lock
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >  > >s/v Pandion  -  '79 Rhodes  22
> > > >Lake  Sinclair,   GA
> > >  >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >  > >
> > > 
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